ray c Posted January 11, 2021 Report Share Posted January 11, 2021 On 1/8/2021 at 6:18 PM, sugarray said: Can't see Stadia Uk opening Poole Stadium for 7 meetings Expand might not open it at all . has stadia uk got any other plans for use of the stadium yet ?. i presume it is still only the car park money which keeps it open now ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sotonian Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 (edited) On 1/11/2021 at 1:14 PM, ray c said: might not open it at all . has stadia uk got any other plans for use of the stadium yet ?. i presume it is still only the car park money which keeps it open now ? Expand If you mean non-sporting use, they can have all the plans they like but, unfortunately for them, they don't own it. Edited January 12, 2021 by Sotonian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 On 1/12/2021 at 8:52 PM, Sotonian said: If you mean non-sporting use, they can have all the plans they like but, unfortunately for them, they don't own it. Expand it is there business .they must have some idea of where there going otherwise they would have handed the keys back by now. nearly a year now there have been any activity down the stadium Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 On 1/12/2021 at 10:44 PM, ray c said: it is there business .they must have some idea of where there going otherwise they would have handed the keys back by now. nearly a year now there have been any activity down the stadium Expand Well at least Danny Ford has announced today that it is still Poole's intention to be part of the 'Championship mix' whatever the format is!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 On 1/13/2021 at 12:44 PM, Skidder1 said: Well at least Danny Ford has announced today that it is still Poole's intention to be part of the 'Championship mix' whatever the format is!! Expand yes i saw that which is good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 (edited) On 1/13/2021 at 12:44 PM, Skidder1 said: Well at least Danny Ford has announced today that it is still Poole's intention to be part of the 'Championship mix' whatever the format is!! Expand The 'Championship mix'? Will that be four double uppers/downers from the 'top league' and two double uppers from the NL, per team, I wonder...? With the 'top league' running pretty much the same, but replacing the NL riders with two riders who don't DU but ride overseas as well? That would keep the demarcation between the leagues that the 'top league' seem to desperately want.... Although no idea why this is given for the past several years a great many riders in every top league team ride outside the top league for lower league teams over here too... Not much difference in ability level when it's the same rider.... Edited January 13, 2021 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyHonestJohn Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 On 1/13/2021 at 3:00 PM, mikebv said: The 'Championship mix'? Will that be four double uppers/downers from the 'top league' and two double uppers from the NL, per team, I wonder...? With the 'top league' running pretty much the same, but replacing the NL riders with two riders who don't DU but ride overseas as well? That would keep the demarcation between the leagues that the 'top league' seem to desperately want.... Although no idea why this is given for the past several years a great many riders in every top league team ride outside the top league for lower league teams over here too... Not much difference in ability level when it's the same rider.... Expand Honestly I think there could be as many as 5 double up/down riders per team between the leagues with possibly a couple of foreigners who don't/wont (if they can be attracted at all); (or maybe one or two like Dan Bewley who may have a Polish team but will possibly still ride in the Premiership only) the only way they can differentiate between the leagues is let the 6 in the top league build their teams to 48.5 points (or more if they can find the riders) and allow the championship to build to 38.5 points as its the only way I can see to put some distance between the leagues. The National League can build to 28.5 points. With 6 top league teams and 12 teams (if Plymouth come up) in the championship leaving Mildenhall and the IOW as stand alone teams in the National League with others clubs 2nd or junior 7's it isn't boding well; as posted on another thread you need 126 riders to fill the slots in the top two leagues so that's 42 for the Premiership and 84 for the Championship and if 30 of those riding in the top league double up/down that still leaves 54 riders required for the Championship and the question is do we have that number of riders available? Its not looking good is it? Regards THJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 Swindon and now Somerset have dropped out of any future planning so maybe Falcons theory is a ‘last resort’ scenario. Almost 60 riders listed requiring nearly 9 tracks needed to at least get a speedway season in what would be a one-off season.The alternative of no speedway will be disastrous for riders and the sport in the U.K. Go back to 1958 I think there were less tracks operating and people said then that speedway as a major sport was finished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 (edited) On 1/14/2021 at 2:53 PM, TotallyHonestJohn said: Honestly I think there could be as many as 5 double up/down riders per team between the leagues with possibly a couple of foreigners who don't/wont (if they can be attracted at all); (or maybe one or two like Dan Bewley who may have a Polish team but will possibly still ride in the Premiership only) the only way they can differentiate between the leagues is let the 6 in the top league build their teams to 48.5 points (or more if they can find the riders) and allow the championship to build to 38.5 points as its the only way I can see to put some distance between the leagues. The National League can build to 28.5 points. With 6 top league teams and 12 teams (if Plymouth come up) in the championship leaving Mildenhall and the IOW as stand alone teams in the National League with others clubs 2nd or junior 7's it isn't boding well; as posted on another thread you need 126 riders to fill the slots in the top two leagues so that's 42 for the Premiership and 84 for the Championship and if 30 of those riding in the top league double up/down that still leaves 54 riders required for the Championship and the question is do we have that number of riders available? Its not looking good is it? Regards THJ Expand Not looking great, however... Some innovative, radical thoughts around meeting formats, team numbers, and how best to provide the UK lads with lots of racing to maximise earnings, and get lots of track time with which to improve, could still mean the season goes ahead... Promoters will be given a 'free pass' if their plan involves running on 'the best nights to get a crowd', and setting a 'reasonable' entrance fee to reflect what could be a heavily watered down product from the last few years'.... 'Any Speedway' will be seen as better than no Speedway by many, and supported by them too... The irony is that Speedway has always been a 'bit' contrived in the UK, so we as fans are used to 'making it up as you go along' regulations. Therefore, we will all be well used to any sort of 'happenings' as the season progresses and will, in the main I am sure, give it plenty of acceptance... Remember that this is a sport in the UK that as recent as 2018 decided that their flagship meeting could include two Swindon riders in a Final that involved Poole and Kings Lynn. And initially decided that they could 'swap sides' at 'half time' and both represent both teams!!! Not even a Covid impacted season, that sees lots of contrived rules to ensure it gets completed, could top that surely? But if it did, we as fans would accept it this following year I am sure.. Edited January 14, 2021 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyHonestJohn Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 (edited) Well I looked at your starting list and have pulled the following off the net and I have removed the ones I know for sure who aren't riding in the UK this year and there will be a few more who wont be riding on the here that others know for sure who will not be available and maybe one or two more who will be but I think we will struggle... The pot is still half full but I think someone might have had a Pee in it when no one was looking... All were used in the last full season (2019) 1 Aaron Summers 26 Danyon Hume 51 Joe Thompson 76 Matt Marson 101 Sam Jensen 2 Adam Ellis 27 David Bellego 52 Joel Andersson 77 Matthew Wethers 102 Sam Masters 3 Alex Spooner 28 David Wallinger 53 Jordan Jenkins 78 Max Clegg 103 Scott Campos 4 Alfie Bowtell 29 Dawid Lampart 54 Jordan Palin 79 Michael Palm Toft 104 Scott Nicholls 5 Anders Rowe 30 Dimitri Berge 55 Jordan Stewart 80 Mikkel B Andersen 105 Simon Lambert 6 Ashley Morris 31 Drew Kemp 56 Josh Auty 81 Nathan Greaves 106 Stefan Nielsen 7 Ben Barker 32 Edward Kennett 57 Josh Bailey 82 Nathan Stoneman 107 Steve Worrall 8 Ben Morley 33 Ellis Perks 58 Josh Bates 83 Nick Agertoft 108 Tero Aarnio 9 Bradley Wilson-Dean 34 Erik Riss 59 Josh Grajczonek 84 Nick Morris 109 Thomas Jorgensen 10 Brady Kurtz 35 Fernando Garcia 60 Josh MacDonald 85 Nicklas Porsing 110 Tobias Thomsen 11 Broc Nicol 36 Georgie Wood 61 Josh Pickering 86 Nicolai Klindt 111 Tobiasz Musielak 12 Cameron Heeps 37 Hans Andersen 62 Justin Sedgmen 87 Niels-Kristian Iversen 112 Todd Kurtz 13 Charles Wright 38 Henry Atkins 63 Jye Etheridge 88 Nikolaj Busk Jakobsen 113 Tom Bacon 14 Chris Harris 39 Jack Holder 64 Kasper Andersen 89 Paco Castagna 114 Tom Brennan 15 Claus Vissing 40 Jack Smith 65 Kristian Pieszczek 90 Paul Starke 115 Tom Perry 16 Connor Bailey 41 Jack Thomas 66 Kye Thomson 91 Rasmus Jensen 116 Tom Woolley 17 Connor Coles 42 Jacob Bukhave 67 Kyle Bickley 92 Richard Andrew 117 Troy Batchelor 18 Connor Mountain 43 Jacob Thorssell 68 Kyle Howarth 93 Richard Lawson 118 Ty Proctor 19 Craig Cook 44 Jake Allen 69 Kyle Newman 94 Richard Lawson 119 Ulrich Ostergaard 20 Dan Bewley 45 James Sarjeant 70 Leon Flint 95 Richie Worrall 120 Valentin Grobauer 21 Dan Gilkes 46 James Shanes 71 Lewis Kerr 96 Ricky Wells 121 Victor Palovaara 22 Dan Thompson 47 James Wright 72 Luke Becker 97 Rob Ledwith 122 William Lawson 23 Daniel Gappmaier 48 Jason Edwards 73 Luke Chessell 98 Rory Schlein 123 Zach Wajtknecht 24 Danny King 49 Jed List 74 Luke Harris 99 Ryan Douglas 124 Zaine Kennedy 25 Danny Phillips 50 Joe Lawlor 75 Luke Ruddick 100 Ryan Kinsley 125 So let the scratching begin and lets see what we are left with as like I have said there will be loads of these on here who will not be back any time soon... and the bottom line is we require at least 96(ish) riders as a minimum... Regards THJ Edited January 14, 2021 by TotallyHonestJohn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon1983 Posted January 14, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 On 1/14/2021 at 3:50 PM, TotallyHonestJohn said: Well I looked at your starting list and have pulled the following off the net and I have removed the ones I know for sure who aren't riding in the UK this year and there will be a few more who wont be riding on the here that others know for sure who will not be available and maybe one or two more who will be but I think we will struggle... The pot is still half full but I think someone might have had a Pee in it when no one was looking... All were used in the last full season (2019) 1 Aaron Summers 26 Danyon Hume 51 Joe Thompson 76 Matt Marson 101 Sam Jensen 2 Adam Ellis 27 David Bellego 52 Joel Andersson 77 Matthew Wethers 102 Sam Masters 3 Alex Spooner 28 David Wallinger 53 Jordan Jenkins 78 Max Clegg 103 Scott Campos 4 Alfie Bowtell 29 Dawid Lampart 54 Jordan Palin 79 Michael Palm Toft 104 Scott Nicholls 5 Anders Rowe 30 Dimitri Berge 55 Jordan Stewart 80 Mikkel B Andersen 105 Simon Lambert 6 Ashley Morris 31 Drew Kemp 56 Josh Auty 81 Nathan Greaves 106 Stefan Nielsen 7 Ben Barker 32 Edward Kennett 57 Josh Bailey 82 Nathan Stoneman 107 Steve Worrall 8 Ben Morley 33 Ellis Perks 58 Josh Bates 83 Nick Agertoft 108 Tero Aarnio 9 Bradley Wilson-Dean 34 Erik Riss 59 Josh Grajczonek 84 Nick Morris 109 Thomas Jorgensen 10 Brady Kurtz 35 Fernando Garcia 60 Josh MacDonald 85 Nicklas Porsing 110 Tobias Thomsen 11 Broc Nicol 36 Georgie Wood 61 Josh Pickering 86 Nicolai Klindt 111 Tobiasz Musielak 12 Cameron Heeps 37 Hans Andersen 62 Justin Sedgmen 87 Niels-Kristian Iversen 112 Todd Kurtz 13 Charles Wright 38 Henry Atkins 63 Jye Etheridge 88 Nikolaj Busk Jakobsen 113 Tom Bacon 14 Chris Harris 39 Jack Holder 64 Kasper Andersen 89 Paco Castagna 114 Tom Brennan 15 Claus Vissing 40 Jack Smith 65 Kristian Pieszczek 90 Paul Starke 115 Tom Perry 16 Connor Bailey 41 Jack Thomas 66 Kye Thomson 91 Rasmus Jensen 116 Tom Woolley 17 Connor Coles 42 Jacob Bukhave 67 Kyle Bickley 92 Richard Andrew 117 Troy Batchelor 18 Connor Mountain 43 Jacob Thorssell 68 Kyle Howarth 93 Richard Lawson 118 Ty Proctor 19 Craig Cook 44 Jake Allen 69 Kyle Newman 94 Richard Lawson 119 Ulrich Ostergaard 20 Dan Bewley 45 James Sarjeant 70 Leon Flint 95 Richie Worrall 120 Valentin Grobauer 21 Dan Gilkes 46 James Shanes 71 Lewis Kerr 96 Ricky Wells 121 Victor Palovaara 22 Dan Thompson 47 James Wright 72 Luke Becker 97 Rob Ledwith 122 William Lawson 23 Daniel Gappmaier 48 Jason Edwards 73 Luke Chessell 98 Rory Schlein 123 Zach Wajtknecht 24 Danny King 49 Jed List 74 Luke Harris 99 Ryan Douglas 124 Zaine Kennedy 25 Danny Phillips 50 Joe Lawlor 75 Luke Ruddick 100 Ryan Kinsley 125 So let the scratching begin and lets see what we are left with as like I have said there will be loads of these on here who will not be back any time soon... and the bottom line is we require at least 96(ish) riders as a minimum... Regards THJ Expand Great list I've counted at least 26 riders who possibly wont come to Britain to race with 6 of those 100% definitely not in the UK Leaves slim pickings If you go back to my theory you're literally asking teams at the AGM who wants to sit out 2021 but here is what we want to do in 2022 so plan early Whatever they decide they need to also have 2022 more or less sorted in terms of set up even if you pencil Swindon in and they dont return 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyHonestJohn Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 On 1/14/2021 at 4:16 PM, Falcon1983 said: Great list I've counted at least 26 riders who possibly wont come to Britain to race with 6 of those 100% definitely not in the UK Leaves slim pickings If you go back to my theory you're literally asking teams at the AGM who wants to sit out 2021 but here is what we want to do in 2022 so plan early Whatever they decide they need to also have 2022 more or less sorted in terms of set up even if you pencil Swindon in and they dont return Expand So with potentially 26 off that list it means we are starting to get down to the magical 96 figure for the two leagues and all you need are a few injuries and that will potentially wipe out a team as there will be no viable replacements, so back to R/R and Guests and we all know how everyone loves them... Think Plymouth might be disappointed... (hope not but it isn't looking good) However that still doesn't improve the position for 2022 either unless its North and South Leagues with doubling across the leagues or one big league but for one big league you are back in the same predicament that there just isn't the riders available to run one big league with 7 man teams 126 riders for 18 teams 108 for sixes and 90 for five man teams... the other problem is "our usual go to rider pool i.e. foreign riders... are not the easy option they used to be following Brexit" Taxi for anyone... could be time to go... Regards THJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefty Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 Should Jason Garrity (R/R) be on the list? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyHonestJohn Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 On 1/14/2021 at 4:49 PM, Lefty said: Should Jason Garrity (R/R) be on the list? Expand No he was one of the first ones I scrubbed... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 On 1/14/2021 at 4:48 PM, TotallyHonestJohn said: So with potentially 26 off that list it means we are starting to get down to the magical 96 figure for the two leagues and all you need are a few injuries and that will potentially wipe out a team as there will be no viable replacements, so back to R/R and Guests and we all know how everyone loves them... Think Plymouth might be disappointed... (hope not but it isn't looking good) However that still doesn't improve the position for 2022 either unless its North and South Leagues with doubling across the leagues or one big league but for one big league you are back in the same predicament that there just isn't the riders available to run one big league with 7 man teams 126 riders for 18 teams 108 for sixes and 90 for five man teams... the other problem is "our usual go to rider pool i.e. foreign riders... are not the easy option they used to be following Brexit" Taxi for anyone... could be time to go... Regards THJ Expand Somehow in the past teams were put together without averages being used. Simply put it was 3 heat leaders 2 second strings and 2 reserves. If promoters can for once come together for the sake of the sport and put aside their own interests then maybe, if the season can start, get a semblance of a competition going. Who will really care who rides for who so long as it gets speedway going and I’m convinced people will want live entertainment after so long away from the sport. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 On 1/14/2021 at 4:48 PM, TotallyHonestJohn said: So with potentially 26 off that list it means we are starting to get down to the magical 96 figure for the two leagues and all you need are a few injuries and that will potentially wipe out a team as there will be no viable replacements, so back to R/R and Guests and we all know how everyone loves them... Think Plymouth might be disappointed... (hope not but it isn't looking good) However that still doesn't improve the position for 2022 either unless its North and South Leagues with doubling across the leagues or one big league but for one big league you are back in the same predicament that there just isn't the riders available to run one big league with 7 man teams 126 riders for 18 teams 108 for sixes and 90 for five man teams... the other problem is "our usual go to rider pool i.e. foreign riders... are not the easy option they used to be following Brexit" Taxi for anyone... could be time to go... Regards THJ Expand I think Plymouth might well be in line to replace Somerset? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moomin man 76 Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 On 1/14/2021 at 4:49 PM, Lefty said: Should Jason Garrity (R/R) be on the list? Expand May well be needing to ask if he is available on day release... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moranboys Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 I just want to know what this "new concept" is when the b.s.p.a release the fixture list.in my honest opinion I would be surprised if we saw a speedway season again this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedtiger Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 On 1/16/2021 at 12:12 PM, Moranboys said: I just want to know what this "new concept" is when the b.s.p.a release the fixture list.in my honest opinion I would be surprised if we saw a speedway season again this year. Expand Bet it will be something to do with helmet colours, or maybe 4 man teams 5 laps races going clockwise and the season starts 1st November. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moranboys Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 On 1/16/2021 at 3:41 PM, Speedtiger said: Bet it will be something to do with helmet colours, or maybe 4 man teams 5 laps races going clockwise and the season starts 1st November. Expand Nice one...!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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