BluPanther Posted January 2, 2021 Report Share Posted January 2, 2021 7 minutes ago, topsoil said: Leaving aside any COVID issues, I've always thought that any playoffs or cup finals taking place in mid to late October are a bit of a lottery. Too many times meeting take place on deep, heavy tracks, because preparing tracks at that time of the year are a nightmare unless you get an unseasonable spell of weather. I completely agree with you... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted January 3, 2021 Report Share Posted January 3, 2021 might be worth running how Denmark have planned theirs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted January 3, 2021 Report Share Posted January 3, 2021 10 hours ago, Triple.H. said: When Steve Purchase took over Oxford we had proper old fashioned rider of the night 2nd halVES for a few weeks, until the powers that be said NO I thought that was Chris Shears although it was a long time ago and my memory isn't what it was? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted January 3, 2021 Report Share Posted January 3, 2021 2 hours ago, steve roberts said: I thought that was Chris Shears although it was a long time ago and my memory isn't what it was? Ah you may be correct Steve, my memory isn't what it was either, i'm probably getting confused with the flying parade lap that Steve Purchase had going for a while Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Posted January 3, 2021 Report Share Posted January 3, 2021 19 hours ago, John Scrutton said: Lets go back to Speedway which the casual watcher can understand (and also some supporters) LETS HAVE ONLY 3 POINTS For a win 2 for 2nd 1 for third No B/W or TAC subs in ALL meetings THE GRAND PRIX only the 5 rides to count to the total at the end. WORLD TEAM CUP Only the total points scored for each team after the lasft meeting No 4 3 2 points CHAMPIONSHIP POINTS only then top scorer only run-off if 2nd or 3rd needed. THE LEAGUE CHAMPIONS who ever finishing top. FALSE STARTS ALL BACK TO START No stopping at pits (unless an injury etc) CONCRETE OR TARMAC STARTING AREA To cut out "gardening" This will never happen `mores the pity. I'm all for that with the exception of the concrete start which can't work in my opinion. I'd settle for the 2 minute warning being the time to tapes up though so they can garden if they get there early enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted January 3, 2021 Report Share Posted January 3, 2021 15 minutes ago, Triple.H. said: Ah you may be correct Steve, my memory isn't what it was either, i'm probably getting confused with the flying parade lap that Steve Purchase had going for a while Yes I remember the 'Flying Lap"...sure it was before the main match? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted January 3, 2021 Report Share Posted January 3, 2021 (edited) 19 hours ago, John Scrutton said: Lets go back to Speedway which the casual watcher can understand (and also some supporters) LETS HAVE ONLY 3 POINTS For a win 2 for 2nd 1 for third No B/W or TAC subs in ALL meetings THE GRAND PRIX only the 5 rides to count to the total at the end. WORLD TEAM CUP Only the total points scored for each team after the lasft meeting No 4 3 2 points CHAMPIONSHIP POINTS only then top scorer only run-off if 2nd or 3rd needed. THE LEAGUE CHAMPIONS who ever finishing top. FALSE STARTS ALL BACK TO START No stopping at pits (unless an injury etc) CONCRETE OR TARMAC STARTING AREA To cut out "gardening" This will never happen `mores the pity. Agree entirely...the same as in Premier League Football. Team that finishes top are declared champions. Imagine the furore generated if say, Liverpool, finished top but were beaten in a 'Play-Off" to decide who were Champions? Personally I never had problems with the T/S ruling...okay it would often prove galling but there was no better feeling when the oppostion put out their "Star Man" as a T/S and was beaten by a lesser light...got the terraces buzzing which is what it's all about in my opinion. Edited January 3, 2021 by steve roberts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted January 3, 2021 Report Share Posted January 3, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, steve roberts said: Agree entirely...the same as in Premier League Football. Team that finishes top are declared champions. Imagine the furore generated if say, Liverpool, finished top but were beaten in a 'Play-Off" to decide who were Champions? Personally I never had problems with the T/S ruling...okay it would often prove galling but there was no better feeling when the oppostion put out their "Star Man" as a T/S and was beaten by a lesser light...got the terraces buzzing which is what it's all about in my opinion. Eveyone used to play at being team manager during the meeting. The sport seemed fun in those days, Prehaps it's just an age thing. Edited January 3, 2021 by cityrebel Spelling mistake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted January 3, 2021 Report Share Posted January 3, 2021 11 minutes ago, cityrebel said: Eveyone used to play at being team manager during the meeting. The sport seemed fun in those days, Prehaps it's just an age thing. That was part of the joy...trying to guess the Team Manager's next tactical move whether it be R/R, T/C or indeed gate postion. It was all part of the fun! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted January 3, 2021 Report Share Posted January 3, 2021 9 hours ago, steve roberts said: Yes I remember the 'Flying Lap"...sure it was before the main match? Yes all riders came out and rode around to be introduced and then did a flying lap, i remember Andreas Jonsson doing a particularly fast time. I bet Lucifer Sam could tell us all the times etc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted January 3, 2021 Report Share Posted January 3, 2021 On 1/2/2021 at 2:24 PM, John Scrutton said: Lets go back to Speedway which the casual watcher can understand (and also some supporters) LETS HAVE ONLY 3 POINTS For a win 2 for 2nd 1 for third No B/W or TAC subs in ALL meetings THE GRAND PRIX only the 5 rides to count to the total at the end. WORLD TEAM CUP Only the total points scored for each team after the lasft meeting No 4 3 2 points CHAMPIONSHIP POINTS only then top scorer only run-off if 2nd or 3rd needed. THE LEAGUE CHAMPIONS who ever finishing top. FALSE STARTS ALL BACK TO START No stopping at pits (unless an injury etc) CONCRETE OR TARMAC STARTING AREA To cut out "gardening" This will never happen `mores the pity. Back to the seventies it is then . speedway was fun to go to,two,too .! PRESS THAT RESET BUTTON NOW ............ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 11 hours ago, jenga said: Back to the seventies it is then . speedway was fun to go to,two,too .! PRESS THAT RESET BUTTON NOW ............ Speedway's last "Golden Era" and I was mighty glad to have experienced it! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 3 hours ago, steve roberts said: Speedway's last "Golden Era" and I was mighty glad to have experienced it! Whilst never being someone stuck in the past, I am sure there is some mileage in some of the 'model' that they had then being transposed over to today.. The pot that all riders share is not as big as it was pro rata in the 70's yet there appears to be many, many more full time professionals than there used to be.. Even when "all was good", and riders could earn some very good money, it was mainly the heat leaders (in the top division only), who were "fully pro" and the rest did it as "well paid sideline" to their usual job, and could make a months salary from their 'proper job' on a good night... The ultimare irony is by the very way the Promoters have run the sport over the past two decades or so, they have all but devalued their own competitions to pretty much zero kudos status yet, I presume, expect riders to turn up with top 'expensive kit' to compete for these 'prizes' which can only result in higher salary expectations for the riders to meet their costs.. A strange operating model to follow.. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted January 5, 2021 Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 On 1/4/2021 at 12:05 PM, mikebv said: Whilst never being someone stuck in the past, I am sure there is some mileage in some of the 'model' that they had then being transposed over to today.. The pot that all riders share is not as big as it was pro rata in the 70's yet there appears to be many, many more full time professionals than there used to be.. Even when "all was good", and riders could earn some very good money, it was mainly the heat leaders (in the top division only), who were "fully pro" and the rest did it as "well paid sideline" to their usual job, and could make a months salary from their 'proper job' on a good night... The ultimare irony is by the very way the Promoters have run the sport over the past two decades or so, they have all but devalued their own competitions to pretty much zero kudos status yet, I presume, expect riders to turn up with top 'expensive kit' to compete for these 'prizes' which can only result in higher salary expectations for the riders to meet their costs.. A strange operating model to follow.. In the 70s jobs were two a penny so yes riders could be part time as such, it's not so easy these days I suspect hence they like to be 'pro' riders and why not? Plus years ago I suspect there were many more Friday/Saturday clubs in the British/Elite/Premiership so again it was easier to hold down a job and race speedway? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted January 6, 2021 Report Share Posted January 6, 2021 10 hours ago, Trees said: In the 70s jobs were two a penny so yes riders could be part time as such, it's not so easy these days I suspect hence they like to be 'pro' riders and why not? Plus years ago I suspect there were many more Friday/Saturday clubs in the British/Elite/Premiership so again it was easier to hold down a job and race speedway? The advent of the Grand Prix put paid to that particular scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted January 6, 2021 Report Share Posted January 6, 2021 On 1/4/2021 at 8:15 AM, steve roberts said: Speedway's last "Golden Era" and I was mighty glad to have experienced it! 1964-1981 was the best time in my opinion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldace Posted January 6, 2021 Report Share Posted January 6, 2021 1 hour ago, customhouseregular said: 1964-1981 was the best time in my opinion. I'd certainly agree with that. Oxford win the last National League to a thrilling Wembley World Final. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted January 6, 2021 Report Share Posted January 6, 2021 18 minutes ago, coldace said: I'd certainly agree with that. Oxford win the last National League to a thrilling Wembley World Final. With so much wonderful speedway in between. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted January 6, 2021 Report Share Posted January 6, 2021 2 hours ago, customhouseregular said: 1964-1981 was the best time in my opinion. I wish I had seen some action during the sixties! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted January 6, 2021 Report Share Posted January 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, steve roberts said: I wish I had seen some action during the sixties! Now then, enough of that sort of thing Steve... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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