snapper Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 If the chat is true that the points limit is going to be lowered I wonder how the fans who have purchased 2020 season tickets which have been rolled over to 2021 will feel paying for a weaker product. Also if the 2020 riders received their signing on fees and find them self no longer with that team place does this mean that they will have to pay this fee back that was most probably spent on new equipment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 2 hours ago, snapper said: If the chat is true that the points limit is going to be lowered I wonder how the fans who have purchased 2020 season tickets which have been rolled over to 2021 will feel paying for a weaker product. Also if the 2020 riders received their signing on fees and find them self no longer with that team place does this mean that they will have to pay this fee back that was most probably spent on new equipment. Hopefully they’ll accept that the world has just been through the ringer and be happy to be able to go back to watch any speedway at their track. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 22 minutes ago, Ben91 said: Hopefully they’ll accept that the world has just been through the ringer and be happy to be able to go back to watch any speedway at their track. Agree with you on that,,, but am sure there'll still be 1 or 2 where money will still be the most important commodity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted December 5, 2020 Report Share Posted December 5, 2020 15 hours ago, snapper said: If the chat is true that the points limit is going to be lowered I wonder how the fans who have purchased 2020 season tickets which have been rolled over to 2021 will feel paying for a weaker product. Also if the 2020 riders received their signing on fees and find them self no longer with that team place does this mean that they will have to pay this fee back that was most probably spent on new equipment. If any Team have their declared 1-7 should be allowed to keep it. Their fans have paid good money to see it and their riders they have should not have to pay back if forced out unfairly. Everyone knew the rules. Why fiddle the points limit down? Plenty of good riders to go round to fill up the gaps according to Mr Godfrey; and I agree with what Stewart Dickson said in Speedway Star, it will be a season when winning League might not be as important as the Sport and getting it back for the public. My team needs a couple of riders, they say they have at least one lined up and Grobauer for Johannson is already announced months ago. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewbacca Posted December 5, 2020 Report Share Posted December 5, 2020 20 hours ago, snapper said: If the chat is true that the points limit is going to be lowered I wonder how the fans who have purchased 2020 season tickets which have been rolled over to 2021 will feel paying for a weaker product. Also if the 2020 riders received their signing on fees and find them self no longer with that team place does this mean that they will have to pay this fee back that was most probably spent on new equipment. Lucky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cinderfella Posted December 5, 2020 Report Share Posted December 5, 2020 (edited) Hey haven't we all been conned for years anyway? As I see it there are 90 points in a match- 45 available to each team so surely team building averages should be built on 45 points? If a team is built around anything less than 45 where do the points disappear to? Can you imagine a similar type of stupid rule being introduced into soccer where they have 11 players but a certain players are allowed to score? The sport has been diluted down through various rules over the years and we wonder why British Speedway is in a poor way? Edited December 5, 2020 by cinderfella 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted December 5, 2020 Report Share Posted December 5, 2020 21 hours ago, snapper said: If the chat is true that the points limit is going to be lowered I wonder how the fans who have purchased 2020 season tickets which have been rolled over to 2021 will feel paying for a weaker product. Also if the 2020 riders received their signing on fees and find them self no longer with that team place does this mean that they will have to pay this fee back that was most probably spent on new equipment. I see no credible reason to change any rules for 2021, I thought all the clubs had agreed that. Seems Glasgow arent to happy https://www.glasgowtigers.org/club-statement-bspa-21/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cinderfella Posted December 5, 2020 Report Share Posted December 5, 2020 1 minute ago, screm said: I see no credible reason to change any rules for 2021, I thought all the clubs had agreed that. Seems Glasgow arent to happy https://www.glasgowtigers.org/club-statement-bspa-21/ I think Alan Dick's letter puts forward a fair and justified case for retaining the 2020 41pt team building average. The legal and financial implication could have a detrimental effect on some clubs should they now, after agreeing contracts for 2021 with riders, have to break them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted December 5, 2020 Report Share Posted December 5, 2020 (edited) The tone of several club articles in this week's Star seems to be discussing the best way forward for those clubs that may have to change their intended 1-7s due to rider (un)availability - due to Polish regs, visas, Brexit regs or whatever. There is even suggestions about going for 6 man teams if necessary?! Edited December 6, 2020 by Skidder1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted December 5, 2020 Report Share Posted December 5, 2020 Hmmm can of worms, can see Glasgow’s point of view ....Poland and visa issues, British speedway stick to 41 points otherwise might as well just go junior racing 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted December 5, 2020 Report Share Posted December 5, 2020 Some teams might need changes ,but is their any justification for changing points limit.Personally I don’t think so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted December 5, 2020 Report Share Posted December 5, 2020 2 hours ago, cinderfella said: Hey haven't we all been conned for years anyway? As I see it there are 90 points in a match- 45 available to each team so surely team building averages should be built on 45 points? If a team is built around anything less than 45 where do the points disappear to? Can you imagine a similar type of stupid rule being introduced into soccer where they have 11 players but a certain players are allowed to score? The sport has been diluted down through various rules over the years and we wonder why British Speedway is in a poor way? Ahhhh this arguement about the 45 point average always gets me! If ‘rider averages’ were calculated purely on average points scored, then there would be some legs in that arguement. Because rider CMA are calculated using points X rides / 4 - when you take into account heat 15 and riders taking 5 rides, it’ll work out that the total team points based on that calculation should be about 42.00-42.50. Years ago back in 2002 it was 45.00 including bonus points which is about right. Lowering the team total CMA year on year just weakens and weakens the product year after year. The strength of the second division is nothing compared to what it was, probably even 10 years ago let alone even further beyond that. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted December 5, 2020 Report Share Posted December 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Skidder1 said: The tone of several club articles in this week's Star seems to be discussing the best way forward for those clubs that may have to change their intended 1-7s due to rider (un)availability - due to Polish regs, visas or whatever. There is even suggestions about going for 6 man teams if necessary?! I can see the logic behind 6 man teams if rider availability is an issue, but not a cost saving measure. I have this arguement year on year that weakening the product will continue to reduce costs but continue to reduce the income too as more and more people give up on the sport as a result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted December 5, 2020 Report Share Posted December 5, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Najjer said: Lowering the team total CMA year on year just weakens and weakens the product year after year. The strength of the second division is nothing compared to what it was, probably even 10 years ago let alone even further beyond that. I would strongly disagree with that comment have a look at the teams in 2010 and there is far more experienced riders in the Championship now. Edited December 5, 2020 by GWC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted December 5, 2020 Report Share Posted December 5, 2020 The product is the racing not the names 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted December 5, 2020 Report Share Posted December 5, 2020 2 hours ago, GWC said: I would strongly disagree with that comment have a look at the teams in 2010 and there is far more experienced riders in the Championship now. I didn’t say anything about how much experience they have - I said the quality. Every year the points limit gets lowered it weakens the teams from the previous year. That is a fact proven by maths. 2 hours ago, ch958 said: The product is the racing not the names Correct - which the top riders will provide better racing than lower standard. They are more skilful and much more likely to carry off certain rides. Bartosz Zmarzlik for example is not only the best in the world but he’s the most entertaining too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therefused Posted December 5, 2020 Report Share Posted December 5, 2020 10 minutes ago, geoff58 said: glasgow or any other championship team don't need to bother about the polish rule it only applies to extraliga riders and no one from that league is going to ride in the championship !! I do understand that, but it’s a bit of a knock on effect isn’t it. A rider in the premiership may not be able to ride over here anymore, so someone currently in the championship may move up and potentially drop their championship team, so I would say Glasgow do need to worry about it 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted December 5, 2020 Report Share Posted December 5, 2020 11 minutes ago, Najjer said: I didn’t say anything about how much experience they have - I said the quality. Every year the points limit gets lowered it weakens the teams from the previous year. That is a fact proven by maths. Correct - which the top riders will provide better racing than lower standard. They are more skilful and much more likely to carry off certain rides. Bartosz Zmarzlik for example is not only the best in the world but he’s the most entertaining too. Danny Ayres provided plenty of entertainment for a fraction of the cost 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted December 5, 2020 Report Share Posted December 5, 2020 9 minutes ago, geoff58 said: glasgow or any other championship team don't need to bother about the polish rule it only applies to extraliga riders and no one from that league is going to ride in the championship !! But the riders in the Premier League not returning, will need to be replaced by current Championship riders, who will need to be replaced by National League riders. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted December 5, 2020 Report Share Posted December 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, Tsunami said: But the riders in the Premier League not returning, will need to be replaced by current Championship riders, who will need to be replaced by National League riders. Most in the CL are doubling up already, and I would have thought those that aren't would do the PL in addition rather than instead of the CL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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