Fromafar Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 I find it hard to disagree with what he says.That’s it in a nutshell IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Clemens Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 I think the article confirmed the FIM doesn't do much for speedway. I think they should have left the FIM years ago and said so years ago 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted November 28, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Mr. Clemens said: I think the article confirmed the FIM doesn't do much for speedway. I think they should have left the FIM years ago and said so years ago Possibly , but they haven’t.No good waiting around for that happen like we have with everything.Far too much self interest as we all know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Mr. Clemens said: I think the article confirmed the FIM doesn't do much for speedway. I think they should have left the FIM years ago and said so years ago WHO should have left? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted November 29, 2020 Report Share Posted November 29, 2020 7 hours ago, PHILIPRISING said: WHO should have left? Couldn’t really make out what was the point of the article. Seemed to be a lot of whining about what Poland has decided to do, but not actually stating the FIM’s position or what it could do. But may also be the way it was related in the Spar... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 29, 2020 Report Share Posted November 29, 2020 (edited) 14 hours ago, Mr. Clemens said: I think the article confirmed the FIM doesn't do much for speedway. I think they should have left the FIM years ago and said so years ago What would happen if Britain left the FIM but other speedway-related member countries remained? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fédération_Internationale_de_Motocyclisme Edited November 29, 2020 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner85 Posted November 29, 2020 Report Share Posted November 29, 2020 19 hours ago, Fromafar said: I find it hard to disagree with what he says.That’s it in a nutshell IMO. In a nutshell what did he say? I do not get the Speedway star anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted November 29, 2020 Report Share Posted November 29, 2020 38 minutes ago, Gunner85 said: In a nutshell what did he say? I do not get the Speedway star anymore YOU should 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted November 29, 2020 Report Share Posted November 29, 2020 1 hour ago, JohnHyam said: What would happen if Britain left the FIM but other speedway-related member countries remained? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fédération_Internationale_de_Motocyclisme THAT has always been the 64,000 dollar question. Without affiliation to the FIM, riders from GB would not be able to race anywhere outside these Isles, no international competition, World Championship participation, etc. And riders from other countries couldn't risk coming here if it closed all other doors. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted November 29, 2020 Report Share Posted November 29, 2020 13 minutes ago, PHILIPRISING said: THAT has always been the 64,000 dollar question. Without affiliation to the FIM, riders from GB would not be able to race anywhere outside these Isles, no international competition, World Championship participation, etc. And riders from other countries couldn't risk coming here if it closed all other doors. Isn't this how Superbikes came about? I don't know and the PDC Darts split from the BDO and weren't Snooker also looking at splitting away from the WSC, and the Football Premier League are always floating ideas about splitting away and it's been talked about by F1 in the past also. In the majority of the above cases it was about the players/clubs in the higher echelons wanting to break away to cream off more of the money, where in Speedway's case it seems to be the opposite with the lower echelons breaking away from an all controlling league that poaches most of their assets 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted November 29, 2020 Report Share Posted November 29, 2020 27 minutes ago, iainb said: Isn't this how Superbikes came about? I don't know and the PDC Darts split from the BDO and weren't Snooker also looking at splitting away from the WSC, and the Football Premier League are always floating ideas about splitting away and it's been talked about by F1 in the past also. In the majority of the above cases it was about the players/clubs in the higher echelons wanting to break away to cream off more of the money, where in Speedway's case it seems to be the opposite with the lower echelons breaking away from an all controlling league that poaches most of their assets THERE have been times when the BSPA thought of breaking away from the FIM or, at the very least, been the body affiliated to the FIM rather than the ACU. But the FIM would never accept that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 29, 2020 Report Share Posted November 29, 2020 (edited) 29 minutes ago, PHILIPRISING said: THERE have been times when the BSPA thought of breaking away from the FIM or, at the very least, been the body affiliated to the FIM rather than the ACU. But the FIM would never accept that. Could that have been because other 'speedway countries' only recognise and accept FIM affiliation? Despite its 'pretence to grandeur' in the motorcycle sports world at large speedway is 'rather tinpot'!!! Edited November 29, 2020 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillwhitewasmad Posted November 29, 2020 Report Share Posted November 29, 2020 When I read the article I interpreted it as put your own house in order be firm with your national licensed riders and if they don't like it block them from riding elsewhere. in fairness he's bang on with it however the likes of woffinden and Lambert will just revert to foreign licences and race under a different national flag. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted November 29, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2020 2 hours ago, Gunner85 said: In a nutshell what did he say? I do not get the Speedway star anymore We need to have a look at ourselves instead of moaning about what the Poles are doing.Sort ourselves out . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted November 29, 2020 Report Share Posted November 29, 2020 30 minutes ago, phillwhitewasmad said: When I read the article I interpreted it as put your own house in order be firm with your national licensed riders and if they don't like it block them from riding elsewhere. in fairness he's bang on with it however the likes of woffinden and Lambert will just revert to foreign licences and race under a different national flag. Thats one thing that could be done, stop the playing with FMN licenses. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mimmo Posted November 29, 2020 Report Share Posted November 29, 2020 Great article by Peter Schroeck too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted November 29, 2020 Report Share Posted November 29, 2020 50 minutes ago, f-s-p said: Thats one thing that could be done, stop the playing with FMN licenses. National licenses are an outdated concept anyway. High-time there was a single international licence for professional competitors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted November 29, 2020 Report Share Posted November 29, 2020 17 minutes ago, Humphrey Appleby said: National licenses are an outdated concept anyway. High-time there was a single international licence for professional competitors. Dont really understand this. As long as licences are used to control or grade riders in/to teams in any league, granting them to foreigners should not be allowed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Posted November 29, 2020 Report Share Posted November 29, 2020 4 hours ago, PHILIPRISING said: THERE have been times when the BSPA thought of breaking away from the FIM or, at the very least, been the body affiliated to the FIM rather than the ACU. But the FIM would never accept that. I would imagine a GP series run outside of FIM authorisation but paying well would gain much support and like the ACU here it has been proven time and again that they cannot revoke riders license for riding under a different authority. However it might stumble at the paying well bit unless you get the right people involved to bring in sponsorship. just yesterday we heard that one of the many ACU alternatives, the MCF are shutting their doors after many years but to be fair they bought about a lot of change for the good in their time, especially for riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Clemens Posted November 29, 2020 Report Share Posted November 29, 2020 8 hours ago, JohnHyam said: What would happen if Britain left the FIM but other speedway-related member countries remained? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fédération_Internationale_de_Motocyclisme They should all leave together and set up their own system. Where there's a will there's a way. If the will is not there then things will continue as they are to their natural conclusion, whatever that may be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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