Leicester Hunter Posted November 8, 2020 Report Share Posted November 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Teromaafan said: Ah...Rider Control. I was only a school boy at the time, but couldn't get my head around Dave Jessup (who would go on to be a whisker away from being world champion) going to Reading from Leicester, with Reidar Eide joining the Lions (from Newport?) for the 1976 season. I understood that this was associated with Rider Control. I don't know what the respective averages were, but even as a kid I thought we had been shafted. 1976 turned out to be most disastrous season I can remember for the Lions. Yes, I was at school at the time as well. Dave Jessup wasn't subject to Rider Control IIRC, his move was a straight commercial transaction between two Reg Fearman promoted tracks, and DJ moved to Reading as a replacement for Anders Michanek who wasn't returning in '76. Leicester were allocated Reidar Eide via the Control committee, as their averages didn't have much of a disparity at the time. To make up the numbers, Leicester got two relatively unknown foreigners on assessed 7.5 averages, Ernst Bogh and Greg Szczepanik. Bogh was sacked after about six weeks and Szczepanik only survived the season simply because there was no-one else. His final CMA was 2.37 including bonus points. So that worked out well. Four heat leader standard riders were allocated to tracks and refused to go. Ole Olsen being the most famous, he was adamant he wasn't going to Hull and the ever enterprising Ian Thomas formulated a lucrative deal with Charles Ochiltree of Coventry for the Dane to complete his move there. The other three were Christer Lofqvist (Wimbledon) and Tommy Johansson along with Hasse Holmqvist (Wolverhampton). Holmqvist hadn't even indicated he wanted to come back to the UK in 1976, so Wolves ended up using a combination of guests and/or R/R for both riders for the whole season. 1977 was something of a transitional year which reverted to averages only to determine team strengths, although there was a sort of dying echo carried over from the previous season. Three teams were allowed to use R/R all season for non returnees, these being Hackney for Zenon Plech, Hull for Egon Muller and most controversially of all Dag Lovaas at White City when you consider how the season panned out. Wolverhampton were granted the facility of either a guest or R/R for Tommy Johansson depending on the averages at any given time. All that was before both Cradley Heath and Leicester were allowed to use a guest for the same rider, John Boulger, for the opening months of the campaign. And people think the rules today are mad... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justgotmecpc Posted November 8, 2020 Report Share Posted November 8, 2020 Also some riders ( foreing ) may find it difficult to get a fix in the uk next season due to flight operators IE easyjet pulling out of some uk airports !! & According to some things I've heard 1 or 2 Danes can't commit to the uk next season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinmauger Posted November 9, 2020 Report Share Posted November 9, 2020 (edited) I considered then World Champion Ole Olsen being initially allocated to Hull as being more than cool, sadly Olsen didn't agree . Have to say the man had point as he waited another year at Wolves after asking for a transfer to a bigger track and he said he'd already agreed a deal with Coventry. I always thought rider control moves seemed to be quite random at times (Jimmy McMillan & Tommy Johansson were moved from Hull to Wolves as part of the Olsen move) but think I read somewhere that the Rider Control Committee was actually made up of a group of the then BSPA promoters, not as I thought the ACU or the then Speedway Control Board. Think the SCB may have also have been formed out of BSPA members and / or referees, though I'm no defo sure on that one.... Edited November 9, 2020 by martinmauger added info, spellin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted November 9, 2020 Report Share Posted November 9, 2020 8 hours ago, pienpeesman said: Also some riders ( foreing ) may find it difficult to get a fix in the uk next season due to flight operators IE easyjet pulling out of some uk airports !! & According to some things I've heard 1 or 2 Danes can't commit to the uk next season Additionally some foreign riders, including Danes may be uncertain about visa eligibility should there be a hard brexit followed by an 'Australian style' visa system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TotallyHonestJohn Posted November 9, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 9, 2020 (edited) To be fair to the guy (Rob Godfrey (RG)) he's not saying here are 16 riders you must use these guy's that's it; the way I read it is; here are 16 Brits who are without team places it would be nice if you could consider these guy's before bringing in some foreign rider. You would think he is telling teams to put 3 point riders in as heat leader's. Also have Glasgow not declared the same 7 already for next season as it was mooted that all clubs had agreed that they would try and start with the same teams as announced at the start of 2020 season so what's the problem. If Newcastle manage to get all 7 back they will be around 2 points under the team build level but that's their choice. If either of Nick Skorja or Ondrej Smetana cant make it next season I would like to see a British 7 point rider replace one of these 5 pointers and if there is someone available on the list fine; if not Ludvig Lindgren (foreign rider) fits the bill; its not mandatory to pick one of the 16... If neither make it then again a 9 point rider with a 3 pointer off the list of 16 would be fine by me... (we are about 2 points under the limit) Obviously there will be the odd rider who changes his plans; especially foreign riders I would suggest; (or the rider retires (prematurely) because they have a proper job now and are earning regular cash for a change) and the odd rider who is spending the next 3 to 4 years at Her Majesty's pleasure who wont be available (ever hopefully) and also I have heard that THJ (no the other one) may not be back at this level next year so teams will by default require new riders. However RG has a list of 16 brits who are available and should be given consideration first; but if that's not viable for the team re-building and if all that's available are riders with averages from 3 to 5 points then they wont be filling in for heat leaders (will they?); They should do this every season by the end of November and float riders names around the clubs nationally and if one brit rider gets picked up over a foreign import then great; furthermore it would make all the clubs aware as to who is available to fill in for injured riders as well... There has been many a daft scheme to push riders on to clubs to promote young British riders but this isn't one of them I think people are making a bit of a mountain out of a mole-hill on this... Regards THJ Edited November 9, 2020 by TotallyHonestJohn Edited for accuracy 8 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted November 9, 2020 Report Share Posted November 9, 2020 couldn't agree more THJ, total over reaction 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted November 9, 2020 Report Share Posted November 9, 2020 1 hour ago, ch958 said: couldn't agree more THJ, total over reaction From Whom though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted November 9, 2020 Report Share Posted November 9, 2020 27 minutes ago, Fromafar said: From Whom though behave - there's a list of British riders clubs may wish to consider if some non UK riders can't come. Surely there's enough Brexiters on here to understand that 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted November 10, 2020 Report Share Posted November 10, 2020 On 11/8/2020 at 10:55 AM, lewy said: Self interest! Thats the problem with the management committee in a nutshell That’s the problem with speedway in a nutshell. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted November 10, 2020 Report Share Posted November 10, 2020 32 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: That’s the problem with speedway in a nutshell. That's the problem in general, in a nutshell. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyHonestJohn Posted November 21, 2020 Report Share Posted November 21, 2020 Well the way riders are signing for Polish teams and with other riders who are falling by the way side it looks like the 16 names Rob Godfrey has come up with might just come in handy eh... Wonder if he can conjure up another 16 British names of say riders who have retired in the last 10 years and we can run a blended league of young kids and veterans... Names on a post card... Joe Screen. James Grieves. Stuart Robson. Adam Roynon. Lee Complin. Paul Clews. Andrew Tully. The Branney Boys. Jamie Courtney. Craig Watson. Gary Irving. Leigh Lanham. Dsvid Howe. Paul Cooper. Chris Schramm... There ya go 16... and there are many more... just to stir things up a bit like... Regards THJ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justgotmecpc Posted November 21, 2020 Report Share Posted November 21, 2020 49 minutes ago, TotallyHonestJohn said: Well the way riders are signing for Polish teams and with other riders who are falling by the way side it looks like the 16 names Rob Godfrey has come up with might just come in handy eh... Wonder if he can conjure up another 16 British names of say riders who have retired in the last 10 years and we can run a blended league of young kids and veterans... Names on a post card... Joe Screen. James Grieves. Stuart Robson. Adam Roynon. Lee Complin. Paul Clews. Andrew Tully. The Branney Boys. Jamie Courtney. Craig Watson. Gary Irving. Leigh Lanham. Dsvid Howe. Paul Cooper. Chris Schramm... There ya go 16... and there are many more... just to stir things up a bit like... Regards THJ Mmmmm johnny ( tassles ) swales could race between grading 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted November 21, 2020 Report Share Posted November 21, 2020 Rob Hollingworth? He's ridden more recently than some of those in THJ's list. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted November 22, 2020 Report Share Posted November 22, 2020 16 hours ago, TotallyHonestJohn said: Well the way riders are signing for Polish teams and with other riders who are falling by the way side it looks like the 16 names Rob Godfrey has come up with might just come in handy eh... Wonder if he can conjure up another 16 British names of say riders who have retired in the last 10 years and we can run a blended league of young kids and veterans... Names on a post card... Joe Screen. James Grieves. Stuart Robson. Adam Roynon. Lee Complin. Paul Clews. Andrew Tully. The Branney Boys. Jamie Courtney. Craig Watson. Gary Irving. Leigh Lanham. Dsvid Howe. Paul Cooper. Chris Schramm... There ya go 16... and there are many more... just to stir things up a bit like... Regards THJ Plus Carl Wilkinson. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted November 22, 2020 Report Share Posted November 22, 2020 Saw pictures of Doug "Flyer" Wyer a few weeks ago, looks good at 73. And also read that Graham Plant's been back on a speedway bike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted November 22, 2020 Report Share Posted November 22, 2020 25 minutes ago, Big Al said: Saw pictures of Doug "Flyer" Wyer a few weeks ago, looks good at 73. And also read that Graham Plant's been back on a speedway bike Steve Wilcox from Middlesborough days, along with Geoff Pusey, were on a bikes during one of the Redcar Amateur meetings this summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillwhitewasmad Posted November 22, 2020 Report Share Posted November 22, 2020 On 11/21/2020 at 8:36 PM, TotallyHonestJohn said: Well the way riders are signing for Polish teams and with other riders who are falling by the way side it looks like the 16 names Rob Godfrey has come up with might just come in handy eh... Wonder if he can conjure up another 16 British names of say riders who have retired in the last 10 years and we can run a blended league of young kids and veterans... Names on a post card... Joe Screen. James Grieves. Stuart Robson. Adam Roynon. Lee Complin. Paul Clews. Andrew Tully. The Branney Boys. Jamie Courtney. Craig Watson. Gary Irving. Leigh Lanham. Dsvid Howe. Paul Cooper. Chris Schramm... There ya go 16... and there are many more... just to stir things up a bit like... Regards THJ In fairness those 16 riders are a loss to the sport just think how much knowledge and experience they have and could pass on to junior riders, Wayne Carter was brilliant with the young scorpions team 2005/2008 . Similar could happen with this list. would be great having someone like David Howe in my lads corner 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justgotmecpc Posted November 23, 2020 Report Share Posted November 23, 2020 1 hour ago, phillwhitewasmad said: In fairness those 16 riders are a loss to the sport just think how much knowledge and experience they have and could pass on to junior riders, Wayne Carter was brilliant with the young scorpions team 2005/2008 . Similar could happen with this list. would be great having someone like David Howe in my lads corner Wayne carter.. david howe.. garry stead.. would be great for the young riders nowadays.. it's about time our powers that be got the likes of the riders I've mentioned above etc on board with training days & other factors of our sport to make our kids well competitive & we could also have the likes of sean Wilson helping on advising on & helping out with engine set ups at meeting etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyretrax Posted November 23, 2020 Report Share Posted November 23, 2020 The BSPL don't let former riders in free of charge, why should the ex-riders help the promoters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted November 23, 2020 Report Share Posted November 23, 2020 1 hour ago, tyretrax said: The BSPL don't let former riders in free of charge, why should the ex-riders help the promoters? prob for the greater good of speedway ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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