stevehone Posted November 21, 2020 Report Share Posted November 21, 2020 if all these riders want to drop the British League, then let them without argument, if the (almost) impossible actually happens and the promoters stick together, it could be the ideal time to have speedway's very own great reset. i used to love the National League (80s version) and a league like that now without the Poland bound riders in my opinion would create a great starting point to move forward and let the BL create it's own stars. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted November 21, 2020 Report Share Posted November 21, 2020 1 hour ago, stevehone said: if all these riders want to drop the British League, then let them without argument, if the (almost) impossible actually happens and the promoters stick together, it could be the ideal time to have speedway's very own great reset. i used to love the National League (80s version) and a league like that now without the Poland bound riders in my opinion would create a great starting point to move forward and let the BL create it's own stars. An obvious opportunity that should have been taken the year it became clear Poland was THE priority for the very best riders.. Instead we have had well over a decade, of moving around fixtures and guestfests to accommodate and replace, by far, the most expensive riders, who, if they knocked on the doors of the houses on the streets adjacent to the tracks, no one would recognise.. Covid 19 has given those who run it an ideal opportunity for a 100% needed complete reset.... Fans desperate for any Speedway will turn up next year in strong numbers I would say, regardless of team strengths.. Will this opportunity be taken? We already know the answer don't we?... 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anzum Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 Doyle and Jack Holder chosen Britain over Sweden according to Speedway Gp site. Doyle has relinquished his team spot at Vastervik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Scrutton Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 Just a thought about banning riders from riding for teams in other countries. i was under †he inpression that you coudnt stop a rider from earning a living and that riders were Free /Lance. or have it got it wrong ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, John Scrutton said: Just a thought about banning riders from riding for teams in other countries. i was under †he inpression that you coudnt stop a rider from earning a living and that riders were Free /Lance. or have it got it wrong ?? NO but a Polish club can include certain terms in a contract and then it is up to the rider to sign it or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff100 Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 2 hours ago, PHILIPRISING said: NO but a Polish club can include certain terms in a contract and then it is up to the rider to sign it or not. restrainght (sic) of trade?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 51 minutes ago, geoff100 said: restrainght (sic) of trade?? NO, personal choice. Sign or don't sign. Many people in a wide variety of employment sign excursive contracts... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poole keith Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 i would advice anyone that before signing an "excursive" contract they first find out what it is lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted December 5, 2020 Report Share Posted December 5, 2020 (edited) 23 hours ago, PHILIPRISING said: NO but a Polish club can include certain terms in a contract and then it is up to the rider to sign it or not. Which is it,do you know for certain that it’s a contract clause. Not a PZM ruling? I have mixed info... Edited December 5, 2020 by f-s-p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted December 5, 2020 Report Share Posted December 5, 2020 1 hour ago, f-s-p said: Which is it,do you know for certain that it’s a contract clause. Not a PZM ruling? I have mixed info... It can be both. The PZM make the rules & that rule has to be in the rider's contract to protect the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted December 5, 2020 Report Share Posted December 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Daniel Smith said: It can be both. The PZM make the rules & that rule has to be in the rider's contract to protect the league. Some people here keep talking about restriction of trade and all that crap. PZM ruling is just that, a clause in a contract is a riders choice. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted December 5, 2020 Report Share Posted December 5, 2020 (edited) 35 minutes ago, f-s-p said: Some people here keep talking about restriction of trade and all that crap. PZM ruling is just that, a clause in a contract is a riders choice. Very much so - if it's a PZM ruling all clubs have to abide. If it's a contract clause any club could choose not to invoke it unilaterally If all clubs have conspired to bring contracts of that nature into force without a PZM ruling that would be a cartel - which is also an illegal business practice Edited December 5, 2020 by dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted December 5, 2020 Report Share Posted December 5, 2020 56 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Very much so - if it's a PZM ruling all clubs have to abide. If it's a contract clause any club could choose not to invoke it unilaterally If all clubs have conspired to bring contracts of that nature into force without a PZM ruling that would be a cartel - which is also an illegal business practice In Poland? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted December 5, 2020 Report Share Posted December 5, 2020 2 hours ago, f-s-p said: Some people here keep talking about restriction of trade and all that crap. PZM ruling is just that, a clause in a contract is a riders choice. PZM ruling or clause in the contract, both are a rider's choice. Contracts are not just about how much money you'll get etc. These contracts are also agreements that you'll abide by the governing bodies regulations. You seem to be confusing yourself that it has to be one way or the other when in fact it's both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted December 5, 2020 Report Share Posted December 5, 2020 4 hours ago, f-s-p said: Some people here keep talking about restriction of trade and all that crap. PZM ruling is just that, a clause in a contract is a riders choice. Every Polish club will offer contracts with the two leagues only clause inserted. If they show solidarity in that respect they’ll get their wishes because they pay best on the whole. Loophole exploited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted December 5, 2020 Report Share Posted December 5, 2020 Why don't the BSPA insert a clause into the contracts of all British riders that if a Polish club wants to sign them in the future, there is a buyout clause. If Poland want to sign British riders in the future, British clubs should be compensated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 5, 2020 Report Share Posted December 5, 2020 (edited) 51 minutes ago, topsoil said: Why don't the BSPA insert a clause into the contracts of all British riders that if a Polish club wants to sign them in the future, there is a buyout clause. If Poland want to sign British riders in the future, British clubs should be compensated. Interesting comment - but would not Polish clubs perhaps make a similar case in regard to their riders wanted by British clubs? Edited December 5, 2020 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted December 5, 2020 Report Share Posted December 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, JohnHyam said: Interesting comment - but would not Polish clubs perhaps make a similar cause in regard to their riders wanted by British clubs? I doubt you will see any Polish riders in Britain in the future, if the Polish leagues insist on riders signing for only one team, which is on the horizon the way things are going. I think because of cost cutting, British clubs will need to look for home grown riders. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted December 7, 2020 Report Share Posted December 7, 2020 On 12/5/2020 at 12:57 PM, f-s-p said: Some people here keep talking about restriction of trade and all that crap. PZM ruling is just that, a clause in a contract is a riders choice. The moment a rider signs a contract, they know the rules (or at least they should) and have therefore agreed to them. They can’t then claim restriction of trade when they have knowingly agreed to it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted December 7, 2020 Report Share Posted December 7, 2020 On 12/5/2020 at 9:48 PM, topsoil said: I doubt you will see any Polish riders in Britain in the future, if the Polish leagues insist on riders signing for only one team, which is on the horizon the way things are going. I think because of cost cutting, British clubs will need to look for home grown riders. The Polish League’s are going to be pretty competitive regarding signing Foreign Riders any Brits fancying their chances of decent money there compared to Home in GB better watch what they are signing up too.IMO There have been a few ripped off over the years( and they were top men). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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