hyderd Posted January 1, 2021 Report Share Posted January 1, 2021 10 minutes ago, mikebv said: Reading the Speedway Star this week and the proposed "huge" TV contract being negotiated for 2022, and the possible ten team top league, I would think there could be even more 'interference' from Poland... Their second division too, is drawing very good viewing figures so is looking to get more from their deal as well... Even more reason to 'go it alone' over here I would think and be in charge of your own destiny... I work with some Polish people, when I mention Speedway to them they all seem to have similar answers. Speedway in Poland is not national, the area where Speedway tracks mostly are is where the fans are. The majority of Poland are not really interested. This is what they tell me when I try to get them to visit the NSS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted January 1, 2021 Report Share Posted January 1, 2021 8 minutes ago, hyderd said: I work with some Polish people, when I mention Speedway to them they all seem to have similar answers. Speedway in Poland is not national, the area where Speedway tracks mostly are is where the fans are. The majority of Poland are not really interested. This is what they tell me when I try to get them to visit the NSS. There are many people within this country that literally despise and can’t stand football. Doesn’t stop it being a national sport though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted January 1, 2021 Report Share Posted January 1, 2021 1 minute ago, hyderd said: I work with some Polish people, when I mention Speedway to them they all seem to have similar answers. Speedway in Poland is not national, the area where Speedway tracks mostly are is where the fans are. The majority of Poland are not really interested. This is what they tell me when I try to get them to visit the NSS. Similar to the likes of Rugby Union and F1 over here I would suggest.. The vast majority of the nation aren't interested but they seem to get top level sponsors, excellent TV deals, and strong viewing numbers.. The Star mentioned a TV deal of £24 million for the top division which suggests more than enough of Poland has an interest to warrant the TV companies outbidding each other to tender that sort of money... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Scrutton Posted January 1, 2021 Report Share Posted January 1, 2021 I know nothing about Polish T/V but I would like to take a guess that they get better coverage on their sports programmes than the sports channels in this country all they think about is Football which is upper cr@p when you think about it football is shown 24/7 no wonder it is popular But what it is 20 men/women running up the field and back again for 90 mins and in most cases gaining nothing, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted January 1, 2021 Report Share Posted January 1, 2021 14 minutes ago, John Scrutton said: I know nothing about Polish T/V but I would like to take a guess that they get better coverage on their sports programmes than the sports channels in this country all they think about is Football which is upper cr@p when you think about it football is shown 24/7 no wonder it is popular But what it is 20 men/women running up the field and back again for 90 mins and in most cases gaining nothing, They show 'magazine' type programmes on both channels that show the top league during the week where they discuss the last round of matches and the matches coming up that weekend... Lots of coverage dedicated to the sport.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldace Posted January 1, 2021 Report Share Posted January 1, 2021 1 hour ago, mikebv said: Even more reason to 'go it alone' over here I would think and be in charge of your own destiny... I tend to agree with this. It is folly to be constantly dependant on the demands of the Polish leagues. I think we need to get ahead of the game and organise a self-sustaining league system. There ought to be a cut-off date for riders who want to take part to confirm this and then we plan from there. Reading the recent book 'Saving Speedway' seems strangely appropriate for today. It's about how they built the Provincial League in the 60s which led the British League in 1965 and the most successful and stable period of the sport in this country. Of course times have changed and everything is different, but it shows how you have to go back and organise before you can go forward and grow. Also those involved with the organisation have to work together for the good of the whole. I don't think this principal has changed but do we have someone who can lead such a movement? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted January 1, 2021 Report Share Posted January 1, 2021 the only time the sport has ever grown or expanded is from the bottom and it can happen again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner85 Posted January 2, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2021 Speedway has ebbed and flowed throughout its 9 decades. Speedway has a chance to build a better future if the Promoters can actually promote and create rules that benefit the Sport as opposed to promoters looking after their own individual needs. Having a neutral person as Chairman who can look after the needs of the Sport is priority number one 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted January 2, 2021 Report Share Posted January 2, 2021 34 minutes ago, Gunner85 said: Speedway has ebbed and flowed throughout its 9 decades. Speedway has a chance to build a better future if the Promoters can actually promote and create rules that benefit the Sport as opposed to promoters looking after their own individual needs. Having a neutral person as Chairman who can look after the needs of the Sport is priority number one As long as the sport here is in such a precarious position there will be no independent person imo. It's a committee, everyone has their say (if they've been on it long enough), everyone can put ideas forward ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted January 2, 2021 Report Share Posted January 2, 2021 Regarding an "independent body", it would be interesting to see if any of the other major sporting leagues have an "independent body" or are they much like speedway and ran by an elected committee. Does anybody have knowledge of how these bodies actually work regarding voting, how things are actually done (Premier League, Gallagher Premiership, Super League etc). I know in America all the major sports have commissioners, but I'm not sure what powers / rights they actually have. I know the NFL have various committees, which look after different aspects of the game, TV, rules etc. But does the final say go to the commissioner? would this be the sort of procedure to put in place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUDGIE Posted January 2, 2021 Report Share Posted January 2, 2021 Poland are looking after themselves. Its upto them what restrictions they put on their contracted riders. If this speeds up 1 rider one club it can only be a big benefit, and the sport maybe taken more seriously. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno Posted January 2, 2021 Report Share Posted January 2, 2021 Do Poland have an independent body or do clubs have a say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted January 3, 2021 Report Share Posted January 3, 2021 On 1/1/2021 at 12:20 PM, coldace said: I tend to agree with this. It is folly to be constantly dependant on the demands of the Polish leagues. I think we need to get ahead of the game and organise a self-sustaining league system. There ought to be a cut-off date for riders who want to take part to confirm this and then we plan from there. Reading the recent book 'Saving Speedway' seems strangely appropriate for today. It's about how they built the Provincial League in the 60s which led the British League in 1965 and the most successful and stable period of the sport in this country. Of course times have changed and everything is different, but it shows how you have to go back and organise before you can go forward and grow. Also those involved with the organisation have to work together for the good of the whole. I don't think this principal has changed but do we have someone who can lead such a movement? Have to agree, we need to build again in GB.We certainly can’t compete with Poland regarding money and sponsors.We need to cut our cloth accordingly.IMO.We certainly won’t lose any fans,and we might attract some new ones if we get the entertainment factor right, without the “ Mickey Mouse “ rules. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUDGIE Posted January 10, 2021 Report Share Posted January 10, 2021 (edited) On 1/3/2021 at 3:55 PM, Fromafar said: Have to agree, we need to build again in GB.We certainly can’t compete with Poland regarding money and sponsors.We need to cut our cloth accordingly.IMO.We certainly won’t lose any fans,and we might attract some new ones if we get the entertainment factor right, without the “ Mickey Mouse “ rules. Spot on, need to start again, it seems some fans are hung up in the past...they need to stop it, sub 1000 crowds are not going to get us back to the time we had all the top stars in the 1980s. If that means 'lower level' stars that what needs to happen. Ultimately it is the fans fault because they have stopped going, causing cutbacks to be necessary. I am prepared to take my share of the blame! Edited January 10, 2021 by BUDGIE spelling as usual lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted January 10, 2021 Report Share Posted January 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, BUDGIE said: Spot on, need to start again, it seems some fans are hung up in the past...they need to stop it, sub 1000 crowds are not going to get us back to the time we had all the top stars in the 1980s. If that means 'lower level' stars that what needs to happen. Ultimately it is the fans fault because they have stopped going, causing cutbacks to be necessary. I am prepared to take my share of the blame! You are having a fookin' laugh blaming fans 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUDGIE Posted January 10, 2021 Report Share Posted January 10, 2021 Laughable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted January 11, 2021 Report Share Posted January 11, 2021 20 hours ago, BUDGIE said: Spot on, need to start again, it seems some fans are hung up in the past...they need to stop it, sub 1000 crowds are not going to get us back to the time we had all the top stars in the 1980s. If that means 'lower level' stars that what needs to happen. Ultimately it is the fans fault because they have stopped going, causing cutbacks to be necessary. I am prepared to take my share of the blame! What came first, the chicken (the people running the sport) or the egg (us, the fans)... In this instance, it is most certainly the chicken! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUDGIE Posted January 17, 2021 Report Share Posted January 17, 2021 (edited) On 1/11/2021 at 9:40 AM, Najjer said: What came first, the chicken (the people running the sport) or the egg (us, the fans)... In this instance, it is most certainly the chicken! I would say that the continued insistance by some fans that the sport in England needs top SGP stars has caused a lot of issues. The crowds are nowhere near being able to support a Tai, or a Bartosz, the sport needs to get to a level that it can afford, and supporters need to accept that and continue to attend, otherwise its curtains....and I for one will be very sad at that. PS thanks for responding without the vitriol and mispelt swear words, and at least if others are going to swear they could at least spell them correctly if they are able! Edited January 17, 2021 by BUDGIE tidied it up a bit! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old bob at herne bay Posted January 18, 2021 Report Share Posted January 18, 2021 I am a firm believer in "what goes around comes around. " It is Poland's time to rule the roost in the Speedway World at the moment. Let us hope when the "bubble bursts" , when the Polish supporters find other things to do with their leisure time, and their TV companies find another sport to put on their channels that the GB promoters are just as robust in imposing punitive conditions on the contracts of riders who decide that they suddenly want to return to ride in the UK. As a now independent Sovereign nation we ought to be developing our own riding talent ...... and imposing contract conditions to restrict their ability to suddenly sign up for EU nations and quit the tracks where they learnt how to race. No longer are we saddled with EU employment rules. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted January 18, 2021 Report Share Posted January 18, 2021 25 minutes ago, old bob at herne bay said: I am a firm believer in "what goes around comes around. " It is Poland's time to rule the roost in the Speedway World at the moment. Let us hope when the "bubble bursts" , when the Polish supporters find other things to do with their leisure time, and their TV companies find another sport to put on their channels that the GB promoters are just as robust in imposing punitive conditions on the contracts of riders who decide that they suddenly want to return to ride in the UK. As a now independent Sovereign nation we ought to be developing our own riding talent ...... and imposing contract conditions to restrict their ability to suddenly sign up for EU nations and quit the tracks where they learnt how to race. No longer are we saddled with EU employment rules. Herne Bay, is that in cloud cuckoo land !!! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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