MORE POLISH LEAGUE INTERFERENCE

[Gunner85]

I see riders in Poland’s extra league in 2021 will only be allowed to ride for ONE other club.

More Poland rules the Speedway world and extremely disappointing.

Looks like Britain will lose some more TALENTED RIDERS with this rule. Shame on Poland

 

 

 

 

Edited November 3, 2020 by Gunner85

[Najjer]

Poland are just looking after their product, and well within their rights to do so. This year has been ideal for them with riders all based over there and very few travelling to Sweden later in the year for the odd meeting once a week with very few injuries throughout the course of the season too.

Losing some of the biggest earners in this country might be a blessing in disguise and can be the beginning of lowering costs and lowering prices in this country.

This is likely to effect Jason Doyle, Nicki Pedersen, Jack Holder, Rasmus Jensen, Rohan Tungate, Brady Kurtz, Niels K Iversen, Robert Lambert, Dan Bewley and Jaimon Lidsey.

[Mr. Clemens]

 

Poland wants to monopolise speedway and make it their very own sport. They want to guarantee they will win everything all the time.

What happens to speedway elsewhere is irrelevant to them 

It has been said that the New Zealand All Blacks represent what NZ is 

Poland doesn't have a great deal to shout about on the world stage.

Speedway can become Poland's All Blacks.

After all it is known as The Black Sport in Poland

 

 

 

[mikebv]

5 hours ago, Najjer said:

Poland are just looking after their product, and well within their rights to do so. This year has been ideal for them with riders all based over there and very few travelling to Sweden later in the year for the odd meeting once a week with very few injuries throughout the course of the season too.

Losing some of the biggest earners in this country might be a blessing in disguise and can be the beginning of lowering costs and lowering prices in this country.

This is likely to effect Jason Doyle, Nicki Pedersen, Jack Holder, Rasmus Jensen, Rohan Tungate, Brady Kurtz, Niels K Iversen, Robert Lambert, Dan Bewley and Jaimon Lidsey.

For the best part of two decades the collective powers that be have buried their heads in the sand, thrutching around from one knee jerk plan to another, without ever accepting the glaring fact that they couldn't afford the riders that they kept insisting they needed.

Riders whose own personal agendas often meant matches taking place as contrived, credibility destroying 'guestfests', or ran on nights suited to their calendars, rather than suited to when their clubs would have liked to have ran to get their largest crowds in..

Maybe Covid has finally meant that the "go it alone" policy, that should have been instigated years ago when it was clear Poland were  calling the tune, will finally come to fruition and British Speedway will start to be in charge of it's own destiny..

[Daniel Smith]

Who can blame the Pole's? 

Rider's want the money & they pay the money. Unlike most other league's they pay large signing on fees too. 

The Pole's rightly so have to protect themselves. 

It's now down to the rider's. Sweden & Poland will 100% be the picks.

The only rider of the top of my that may have a tug at the heart string will be Bewley at Belle Vue. Doyle has been a stalwart of British Speedway but even he would drop the UK without a thought. 

Pedersen is upset, but that more to do with his age & wanting to earn a maximum amount before retirement. 

A genuine question here, which other of the Premiership's "top" rider's will get Ekstraliga rider's & be missed from British Speedway? 

I'm genuinely struggling & don't see why British fans are concerned. 

Jaimon Lidsey will have a choice to make but has shown on the continent he could already be above British Speedway level. 

[wtf]

There will certainly be a number of riders who have decisions to make. Interesting one for me now will be whether the BSPA are clever enough to use and maximise the one draw and advantage they have over all the other speedway leagues. I bet they won't

The advantage that Sweden and Denmark offer to any rider in Poland is that the travel is less, and you can do both leagues on one set of equipment. One van, one set of full time mechanics, one workshop, one set of bikes. You can even do the GPs with this same single set up.

If you want to run in the UK, you have to have a complete other set up, and you pretty much cannot use it for anything else other than racing in the UK. That adds significant costs to riding in a country that doesn't pay great compared to the others, so what is the attraction of racing in the uk apart from the "technical tracks" ?

Simple. No Squad System, and lots of meetings. 

You are not going to be asking any top riders about choosing the UK over Poland, it's how do you attract them away from Sweden or Denmark. Now would be the perfect time for the powers that be to announce that there can be no team changes in the top league other than to replace injuries, and that you want a full calender of racing, 2 home and 2 away plus playoffs with a guarantee of say 28 meetings. Ask any rider who has been frozen out because of a couple of poor meetings on the continent whether they would rather do that or run the risk of sitting on the side lines. Most top level riders like riding the uk as it starts early, so they can get dialled in for the season on the continent and it guarantees them lots of meetings and time on the bike. opportunities to show how they're going should they struggle overseas.

They won't do it though, they are too stupid to understand the only real draw they have to attract the higher level riders and maximise it. Hence they've been talking about a squad system for the last few years. 

Poland will do what they want to do, over here you need to understand what strengths you have and how to make the most of them. Just watch our "genius's" miss an open goal

[Najjer]

Admittedly his options were very limited in the Polish Extraleague and it doesn't have a direct impact on British Speedway, but Michael Jepsen Jensen is the first rider to say he will drop down to the Polish 1st Division so that he can then ride in Denmark and Sweden.

I'm not privvy to know what sort of money is being paid in Sweden, but I would assume it would be a straight shootout between Britain and Sweden for the likes of Holder and Lidsey.

[racers and royals]

1 hour ago, Najjer said:

Admittedly his options were very limited in the Polish Extraleague and it doesn't have a direct impact on British Speedway, but Michael Jepsen Jensen is the first rider to say he will drop down to the Polish 1st Division so that he can then ride in Denmark and Sweden.

I'm not privvy to know what sort of money is being paid in Sweden, but I would assume it would be a straight shootout between Britain and Sweden for the likes of Holder and Lidsey.

Lidsey is riding for Vastervik - so he has already decided. It used to be reckoned that Sweden was at least double the UK 

[mikebv]

2 hours ago, Najjer said:

Admittedly his options were very limited in the Polish Extraleague and it doesn't have a direct impact on British Speedway, but Michael Jepsen Jensen is the first rider to say he will drop down to the Polish 1st Division so that he can then ride in Denmark and Sweden.

I'm not privvy to know what sort of money is being paid in Sweden, but I would assume it would be a straight shootout between Britain and Sweden for the likes of Holder and Lidsey.

For the 'average rider' the last I read (pre covid), was twice the money of the UK in Sweden and five times the UK in Poland..

More obviously for the 'top riders'..

Meaning (if still the same) you can earn the same in Sweden in half the number of meetings you would need to ride in over here..

Same money for less risk, and less wear and tear to man and machine...

An easy choice to make for many I would think..

 

[Fromafar]

On 11/3/2020 at 9:21 PM, Mr. Clemens said:

 

Poland wants to monopolise speedway and make it their very own sport. They want to guarantee they will win everything all the time.

What happens to speedway elsewhere is irrelevant to them 

It has been said that the New Zealand All Blacks represent what NZ is 

Poland doesn't have a great deal to shout about on the world stage.

Speedway can become Poland's All Blacks.

After all it is known as The Black Sport in Poland

 

 

 

GB had their chance to monopolise the sport years ago but got complacent,hence the position they are in now within the Sport.Can’t blame the Poles for that.

[Fromafar]

On 11/4/2020 at 3:38 PM, mikebv said:

For the 'average rider' the last I read (pre covid), was twice the money of the UK in Sweden and five times the UK in Poland..

More obviously for the 'top riders'..

Meaning (if still the same) you can earn the same in Sweden in half the number of meetings you would need to ride in over here..

Same money for less risk, and less wear and tear to man and machine...

An easy choice to make for many I would think..

 

One thing for sure the riders will “ follow the money” can’t really blame them.

[NickH114]

Its a very selfish restriction being introduced by Poland, not only to stop riders riding where they choose, but also on speedway fans in other countries, being deprived of seeing top riders in action.

[Mr. Clemens]

2 hours ago, Fromafar said:

GB had their chance to monopolise the sport years ago but got complacent, hence the position they are in now within the Sport. Can’t blame the Poles for that.

 

Don't blame them at all. They have a firm grip on the sport, they saw their chance, took it  and will never let it go 

All the rest is gravy

 

 

 

[Fromafar]

3 hours ago, NickH114 said:

Its a very selfish restriction being introduced by Poland, not only to stop riders riding where they choose, but also on speedway fans in other countries, being deprived of seeing top riders in action.

GB need to offer better pay rates which is not possible due to the state of the sport  here, no forward thinking in the last 20 years from Promoters here.Silly money and silly rules have driven many fans away so family ties with the sport have been lost and not been able to attract a new younger fan base.When cameras pan the the crowds in Poland they have a very healthy young fan base .The bubble May burst in Poland regarding pay rates but don’t think it will harm the sport in the same way as has happened over here.

[Daniel Smith]

3 hours ago, NickH114 said:

Its a very selfish restriction being introduced by Poland, not only to stop riders riding where they choose, but also on speedway fans in other countries, being deprived of seeing top riders in action.

No it's not 

[NickH114]

So why isn't it?

[Daniel Smith]

38 minutes ago, NickH114 said:

So why isn't it?

Read my first post on last page

[NickH114]

I have, well you were wrong about Jason Doyle.

[Daniel Smith]

1 hour ago, NickH114 said:

I have, well you were wrong about Jason Doyle.

If Corona os still lingering around the world, Doyle won't be at Swindon

[mikebv]

6 hours ago, Fromafar said:

GB need to offer better pay rates which is not possible due to the state of the sport  here, no forward thinking in the last 20 years from Promoters here.Silly money and silly rules have driven many fans away so family ties with the sport have been lost and not been able to attract a new younger fan base.When cameras pan the the crowds in Poland they have a very healthy young fan base .The bubble May burst in Poland regarding pay rates but don’t think it will harm the sport in the same way as has happened over here.

The huge advantage Poland has is the way TV can, and is willing to, prop it up...

Last season showed how important the sport is to the broadcasters own buisness models by the way they wanted the 'show to go on' regardless of the existing challenges...

Having the Sports Personality of the Year shows the level of the sport in the wider public's awareness which must therefore help it attract those big national company sponsors wanting to be associated with it..

And when you have broadcasters willing to tender for your product, from an already high base, then you are very much in demand, and your continued success then becomes fundamental to the continued success of the broadcasters too...

Similar too, but on a much small scale obviously, in the way Sky and the Premier League in football over here both mutually benefit from each other..

Both the Polish top league and the broadcasters know that keeping their 'product' at a certain level, and in the minds of the populace, is the only way to keep moving it forward, and given the size of the prize, (and the dire consequences of not doing it), will, quite naturally, ensure that absolutely anything and everything is done to protect both the product, and the very large investment, both emotional and financial, that so many in Poland make in following and broadcasting the sport..

Edited November 6, 2020 by mikebv