SteveLyric2 Posted November 3, 2020 Report Share Posted November 3, 2020 With the AGM due to take place during early November, I guess they will have to 'Zoom' it during lockdown unless they are fitting it in before Thursday? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted November 3, 2020 Report Share Posted November 3, 2020 There'll be a lot of things on hold, they don't even know whether they'll get a full season next year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuxtonTiger Posted November 3, 2020 Report Share Posted November 3, 2020 Why not just delay it till early next year. This will allow us to get even further behind the Poles. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted November 3, 2020 Report Share Posted November 3, 2020 Dont understand why this hasnt already been held, why wait until now? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted November 3, 2020 Report Share Posted November 3, 2020 What’s the point in holding it at all, just carry on with the dross we were due to be served as a 2020 season. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted November 3, 2020 Report Share Posted November 3, 2020 not a lot of point really holding it until we know which wat the country is going with covid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted November 3, 2020 Report Share Posted November 3, 2020 1 hour ago, The Third Man said: Dont understand why this hasnt already been held, why wait until now? They were waiting for the season to finish... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted November 3, 2020 Report Share Posted November 3, 2020 Damned if they do, Damned if they don't on here! If they wait for Covid to go they'll wait until 2022 or 2023 and that would kill any Sport. Better to plan and announce as usual in hope something may be possible, than do nothing and then have to rush with accusations they haven't planned. A few teams got racing on with 400 to 500 allowed in September, if that's how speedway has to start up so be it. Something is better than nothing so may be for once stop moaning and whining and cut them some slack. I'm sure all Promoters and Clubs want to race so let's support speedway, why else are we here? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted November 3, 2020 Report Share Posted November 3, 2020 26 minutes ago, HGould said: Damned if they do, Damned if they don't on here! If they wait for Covid to go they'll wait until 2022 or 2023 and that would kill any Sport. Better to plan and announce as usual in hope something may be possible, than do nothing and then have to rush with accusations they haven't planned. A few teams got racing on with 400 to 500 allowed in September, if that's how speedway has to start up so be it. Something is better than nothing so may be for once stop moaning and whining and cut them some slack. I'm sure all Promoters and Clubs want to race so let's support speedway, why else are we here? No, it isn’t. It’s logical to plan for the worst and hope for the best. To plan a full season that won’t happen (again) would be foolish and incur more needless expense. The state of the sport here it won’t be hard to pull a season together if we need to come spring. Fixtures are never released until late in the day anyway. This is a forum for opinion, that is why we’re here. Not to blindly just go “Speedway is great isn’t it,” like automatons. Sadly the opinion of most Speedway fans (the most important people), is seemingly that the people running the sport have used up their credit of goodwill and need to pull their finger out and do something positive. And that is regardless of the fact that there is a pandemic going on. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 Looks like things are progressing positively in the Championship https://www.speedwaygb.co.uk/news.php?extend.38468 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaboy279 Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 Realistically the BSPA have so much to discuss. After the Polish ran a full league, and Swedish a limited one in 2020, whilst in the UK we were spectators from a far.... The bspa need to plan for a full season. A full season with limited capacity. A full season behind closed doors A stop start season with ever changing restrictions. A season where non UK based riders may become unable to travel Etc etc etc. Basically the BSPA have to try and make a viable plan a,b,c,d,e,f,g,and h Whether we will need to enter speedway team and mechanics into social bubbles. In an ever changing world, the BSPA need to have total flexibility. Think Ben91 said it best. Plan for the worst and hope for the best. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 At least with today's BSPL announcements maybe the AGM has taken place this week with ALL clubs in Premiership and Championship having declared their intention to run in 2021, with Easter the targeted start date. Most clubs have agreed to use the same 1-7 BUT there will be some latitude where riders are not available or choose not to be available for British racing!! According to the Chairman, he has a list of 16 British riders of Championship-level standard (in his opinion) who should be given first consideration for any vacant team places due to rider unavailability in any team declarations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaboy279 Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 4 hours ago, Skidder1 said: At least with today's BSPL announcements maybe the AGM has taken place this week with ALL clubs in Premiership and Championship having declared their intention to run in 2021, with Easter the targeted start date. Most clubs have agreed to use the same 1-7 BUT there will be some latitude where riders are not available or choose not to be available for British racing!! According to the Chairman, he has a list of 16 British riders of Championship-level standard (in his opinion) who should be given first consideration for any vacant team places due to rider unavailability in any team declarations. I am normally the first one to say about giving brits every opportunity possible. But its unrealistic to expect a team who loses a 9 point imported rider, to replace them with a choice of NL riders. Would make that very uncompetitive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 I think it needs to be seriously considered that if we do have a season we will potentially have to use British riders only and/or those who will be based solely in the UK. It would be prudent for the people running the sport to make a plan to go next season using British riders only and with the potential that there could be no fans allowed in to tracks to watch the racing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 52 minutes ago, Ben91 said: I think it needs to be seriously considered that if we do have a season we will potentially have to use British riders only and/or those who will be based solely in the UK. It would be prudent for the people running the sport to make a plan to go next season using British riders only and with the potential that there could be no fans allowed in to tracks to watch the racing. A number of Overseas Riders live in the UK and spend winter here. A similar number have properties they own or rent and have European base in UK. Probably a few may decide not to ride in UK in 2021. Poland and Sweden now have Covid 19 outbreaks as bad as or worse than us so no safer. There is no indication of mass absentees, definitely not in the Championship as yet. Jason Doyle is definitely basing in UK to ride for Swindon. Generalisations don't reflect a lot of positive intent that is coming out of BSPL. I went to watch speedway in a safe environment with 400 others in September. If the Covid cycle is similar I Spring, who would deny all other tracks to open with measures in place and viable crowd limits especially if early vaccines are on stream for the most vulnerable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 11 minutes ago, HGould said: A number of Overseas Riders live in the UK and spend winter here. A similar number have properties they own or rent and have European base in UK. Probably a few may decide not to ride in UK in 2021. Poland and Sweden now have Covid 19 outbreaks as bad as or worse than us so no safer. There is no indication of mass absentees, definitely not in the Championship as yet. Jason Doyle is definitely basing in UK to ride for Swindon. Generalisations don't reflect a lot of positive intent that is coming out of BSPL. I went to watch speedway in a safe environment with 400 others in September. If the Covid cycle is similar I Spring, who would deny all other tracks to open with measures in place and viable crowd limits especially if early vaccines are on stream for the most vulnerable. Plan for the worst, hope for the best. As far as the comments about planning for British riders only are concerned I’m talking about travel restrictions potentially not allowing riders in and out of the country to race on a weekly basis, which would mean riders would have to stay in one place predominantly as happened in Poland this year. Travel restrictions will hit us more than the Danes, Swedes and Poles because you have to fly here from those countries whereas you can drive between the others should you have the inclination. Jason Doyle’s comments are second hand from Rosco and if Poland run their league in a bubble again he’ll go there for the money and not race for Swindon, let’s not kid ourselves. You may have been to watch Speedway this year, but if you hadn’t noticed, the government (who have slightly more power than the BSPA) have banned fans from sporting events for the second time since March. The only meetings that were run with fans were “amateur.” Blind optimism is helping nobody in this situation. Realism, contingency planning and managing expectation levels has to be the way forward with hopes for the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enotian Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 1 hour ago, HGould said: . I went to watch speedway in a safe environment with 400 others in September. If the Covid cycle is similar I Spring, who would deny all other tracks to open with measures in place and viable crowd limits especially if early vaccines are on stream for the most vulnerable. we hope but Glasgow said they couldn't accommodate social distancing. then there's the greyhound stadiums which might not jeopardise their core business. just impossible at the minute. I do hope they've thought about what can be done if there's no improvement in the situation throughout next Summer. Some viable alternative funded by fulfilling the Eurosport deal or streaming. GP''s are asking people to take part in vaccine trials so there must be something close to being ready but who knows..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Ben91 said: Plan for the worst, hope for the best. As far as the comments about planning for British riders only are concerned I’m talking about travel restrictions potentially not allowing riders in and out of the country to race on a weekly basis, which would mean riders would have to stay in one place predominantly as happened in Poland this year. Travel restrictions will hit us more than the Danes, Swedes and Poles because you have to fly here from those countries whereas you can drive between the others should you have the inclination. Jason Doyle’s comments are second hand from Rosco and if Poland run their league in a bubble again he’ll go there for the money and not race for Swindon, let’s not kid ourselves. You may have been to watch Speedway this year, but if you hadn’t noticed, the government (who have slightly more power than the BSPA) have banned fans from sporting events for the second time since March. The only meetings that were run with fans were “amateur.” Blind optimism is helping nobody in this situation. Realism, contingency planning and managing expectation levels has to be the way forward with hopes for the best. All the BSPL are doing at the moment is planning for a near normal season. From that will come all kinds of contingencies that can be implemented. You seem to want to plan for nothing and then make it up as you go along Better to plan for everything and if you have to reduce you reduce. Your negativity is demoralising and planning for the best has built in contingency for the worst Planning for 100% allows contingency for 10%. You'd plan for 10% and pray come February that your doom laden hopes have come true. Sad.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 1 hour ago, HGould said: ...... You seem to want to plan for nothing and then make it up as you go along ...... You have to have some sympathy. We've been doing that for years. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, HGould said: All the BSPL are doing at the moment is planning for a near normal season. From that will come all kinds of contingencies that can be implemented. You seem to want to plan for nothing and then make it up as you go along Better to plan for everything and if you have to reduce you reduce. Your negativity is demoralising and planning for the best has built in contingency for the worst Planning for 100% allows contingency for 10%. You'd plan for 10% and pray come February that your doom laden hopes have come true. Sad.. No, they’re kicking the can down the road by hoping that we will be able to just run the planned 2020 season in 2021 just like they hoped we would have a full season this year until July/August when they finally admitted it wouldn’t happen. I don’t think you understand the point I’m making, to manage expectation levels in life it is best to plan for the worst case scenario and hope things are better. If they do it is easier to adjust. You’re suggesting planning for the absolute best scenario, and that is unlikely to happen sadly. Why do Speedway circuits have safety fences? Why do the riders wear body armour and crash helmets? In case they crash, worst case scenario. Best case scenario is they don’t and nobody gets hurt which as fans we all hope is the case. Plan for the worst, hope for the best. If anyone at the BSPA is reading my posts and feeling demoralised then they are in the wrong job and perhaps they should ask themselves why fans aren’t happy with the product they serve up on the whole. Realistic expectations and negativity are very different things. I’m in the former camp. I’m a Speedway fan, why would I want the sport to fail? I have no issue with debating with you despite us having differing opinions, please don’t descend into personal abuse by calling me sad just because we aren’t in agreement. Edited November 5, 2020 by Ben91 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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