*JJ Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 14 hours ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: I can’t speak for all the spares vans but I do know he had an account at one where he was told a person would sort his bills, I think then garrity was injured and when he came back the person did a runner from speedway, leaving the bill unpaid to this day, I believe it was around £900 He was hardly alone in this ... CovComp once published a list of riders who had run up a debt with them and showed no likelihood of paying. Possibly one reason why Geoff was so helpful to us was that we (that is, I) always paid up straight away. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 1 hour ago, *JJ said: He was hardly alone in this ... CovComp once published a list of riders who had run up a debt with them and showed no likelihood of paying. Possibly one reason why Geoff was so helpful to us was that we (that is, I) always paid up straight away. That list is still huge and amounts to around £60,000, it stretched back to the 90s, some of the non payers are no longer with us, some have just retired and gone off into the sunset but some are still riding and have no intention of paying, said this before that if any rider has a debt to a speedway van sales at the end of the season then next year they shouldn’t be granted a license till it’s paid, I know a few years ago this was the case with Aussies but not sure if that still the case 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONTWOMINUTES Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 43 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: That list is still huge and amounts to around £60,000, it stretched back to the 90s, some of the non payers are no longer with us, some have just retired and gone off into the sunset but some are still riding and have no intention of paying, said this before that if any rider has a debt to a speedway van sales at the end of the season then next year they shouldn’t be granted a license till it’s paid, I know a few years ago this was the case with Aussies but not sure if that still the case The trouble is when you need bits possibly just before the meeting starts or mid meeting and then go to settle up and the spares man has gone (, not usually in most cases) and then what? Chase them round the country when all that's needed is the spares van to contact the club and the club takes it out of the wages or speaks to the rider to get it payed back . Some of the spares vans aren't strict enough, you don't go shopping and pay for the goods sometime in the future! If at all , I think it boils down to trust and honesty on the part of the rider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Stadia Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 47 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: That list is still huge and amounts to around £60,000, it stretched back to the 90s, some of the non payers are no longer with us, some have just retired and gone off into the sunset but some are still riding and have no intention of paying, said this before that if any rider has a debt to a speedway van sales at the end of the season then next year they shouldn’t be granted a license till it’s paid, I know a few years ago this was the case with Aussies but not sure if that still the case So, some speedway riders definitely aren't holier than thou! For a professional sport, that's unprofessional behaviour! (and mean). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 Some of the reactions on here are quite hysterical. A person committed a crime, was caught and served their time - happens all the time, get over it As for other speedway riders, we've had alleged and convicted corruption, multiple drug abusers, alcohol abusers, violent criminals, including murder and many of these are/were warmly thought of e.g. Lee, Morans, Ward. Very few have no victims, the drugs trade sees many deaths and abuses of people across the world. If he wants to ride speedway then I have no problem with that. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 28 minutes ago, SPEEDY69 said: As for other speedway riders, we've had alleged and convicted corruption, multiple drug abusers, alcohol abusers, violent criminals, including murder and many of these are/were warmly thought of e.g. Lee, Morans, Ward. Aye and that`s just Edinburgh. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 20 hours ago, proud panther said: Makes you wonder who is funding him now, or whether he is using his old equipment ? Crowbars & hammers don't tend to rust much 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 4 hours ago, SPEEDY69 said: Some of the reactions on here are quite hysterical. A person committed a crime, was caught and served their time - happens all the time, get over it As for other speedway riders, we've had alleged and convicted corruption, multiple drug abusers, alcohol abusers, violent criminals, including murder and many of these are/were warmly thought of e.g. Lee, Morans, Ward. Very few have no victims, the drugs trade sees many deaths and abuses of people across the world. If he wants to ride speedway then I have no problem with that. And don't even get started with some of the promoters! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byker Biker Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 On 4/23/2024 at 8:50 PM, Technik said: He did wrong & was punished in a court of law. His sentence was to serve 7 years in prison, due to good behavior he was released early only serving half his time. He now wants to return to normal life & that includes racing speedway. I'm not Judge or Jury but I am willing to give him time & space to prove he can be a valid member of the speedway community Unfortunately there is no normal life for Jason, he is a talent on two wheels, very funny and a likeable guy but the but goes a long way back. Jason was kept out of a secure place to stay because of his ability on a Speedway bike when Chris Morton and David Gordon agreed/were persuaded by the probation services to train him and give him an opportunity to change his life. Those commitments kept him out of custody but when it came to formally signing a contract other clubs stepped in so off he went and became effectively unsupervised. The rest is fairly well known the negative almost feral influences around him put him back to square one. Others from our sport were influenced by Jason and got into similar difficulties with the authorities, one I know is certainly not riding anymore. What you see is what you get with Jason it's the bags and baggage that will be the problem I'd put him in a team tomorrow but wouldn't allow his entourage anywhere near a Speedway track. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff100 Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 I have no time for jason at all,but remember the fuss sky made when mark courtney returned,people soon forgive him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefty Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 "I'm Telling You Now", Freddie is by far the best of the Manchester Garrity's! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted April 26 Author Report Share Posted April 26 17 hours ago, iainb said: And don't even get started with some of the promoters! oh for another gloriously libellous post from Duke of whatisname about the BSPA a few years ago. I do wish I'd saved it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byker Biker Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 4 minutes ago, ch958 said: oh for another gloriously libellous post from Duke of whatisname about the BSPA a few years ago. I do wish I'd saved it. Duchess of Sherborne I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted April 26 Author Report Share Posted April 26 31 minutes ago, Byker Biker said: Duchess of Sherborne I think that's it - just up long enough for a few of us to read it then gone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Eck Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 1 hour ago, ch958 said: that's it - just up long enough for a few of us to read it then gone! Just up long enough for it to threaten the existence of this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 3 hours ago, Lefty said: "I'm Telling You Now", Freddie is by far the best of the Manchester Garrity's! I understand. I'll get me coat... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 5 hours ago, Byker Biker said: Unfortunately there is no normal life for Jason, he is a talent on two wheels, very funny and a likeable guy but the but goes a long way back. Jason was kept out of a secure place to stay because of his ability on a Speedway bike when Chris Morton and David Gordon agreed/were persuaded by the probation services to train him and give him an opportunity to change his life. Those commitments kept him out of custody but when it came to formally signing a contract other clubs stepped in so off he went and became effectively unsupervised. The rest is fairly well known the negative almost feral influences around him put him back to square one. Others from our sport were influenced by Jason and got into similar difficulties with the authorities, one I know is certainly not riding anymore. What you see is what you get with Jason it's the bags and baggage that will be the problem I'd put him in a team tomorrow but wouldn't allow his entourage anywhere near a Speedway track. People say he is talented. Maybe so.But he never really produced much and was on the decline before he was banged up. Not many come back as good as they were before a long break. I doubt he would get a 5 point average in the second tier. Even with the lack of riders available, it would seem a major gamble to even bother ringing him up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 On 4/24/2024 at 6:48 PM, Technik said: It has been the same for everyone for many years. The sentence handed down is the maximum an individual will serve. But the term is only set for half & parole can be applied for at that point. With the time served & the offender demonstrates good behavior whilst incarcerated, shows remorse for their previous actions with a plan to improve in society & follow a set plan with a registered probation office. The sitting panel will consider all aspects & decide if the applicant is safe for release. I believe this depends on whether the original sentence is less or more than 4 years. If less than 4 years then release on probation is generally automatic, and indeed non-violent offenders are increasingly eligible for home detention for some of the prison time. If more than 4 years, I think you only become eligible for early release on licence after you've served half the time, and that requires Parole Board approval (i.e. demonstrated good behaviour). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 4 hours ago, chunky said: I understand. I'll get me coat... I'm telling you now... I don't understand... Getting my coat too... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 Maybe if he said he was now "trans" he could get a gig..? Justine Garrity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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