Sings4Speedway Posted April 24 Report Share Posted April 24 I think there are a few spares vans hoping he gets signed sooner rather than later and eagerly await his arrival at track...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secsy1 Posted April 24 Report Share Posted April 24 16 hours ago, iris123 said: Not sure what that tells us Apparently Fred West was a very likeable person. Charles Manson obviously had a magnetic personality that enabled him to attract and manipulate people. The criminal world is full of such people. And the world is full of charming people who manage to manipulate and rob the elderly..... And there is one problem with speedway. It has a large elderly fan base. Would it really be acceptable to have him in the spotlght and expect older generations to pay out money to watch him ? How would it come over if you expected a large amount of females to pay to watch entertainment from a wife beater or rapist at the extreme ? The sport which has the most offers and offers them continuing employment is football. Yet every week people pay to watch rapists, drug cheats, wife beaters who steal a living through the sport. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Stadia Posted April 24 Report Share Posted April 24 3 hours ago, Sings4Speedway said: I think there are a few spares vans hoping he gets signed sooner rather than later and eagerly await his arrival at track...... Was Jason a good 'spares van' customer then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bojangles Posted April 24 Report Share Posted April 24 (edited) 4 hours ago, ONTWOMINUTES said: I'm sure Jason is aware of the consequences of making a public return and whatever team he rides for will remind him of this,but at the same time have a responsibility to help him too . Jason has broad shoulders so name calling and verbal abuse won't have a impact on him. If people don't want to go and watch the meeting he's in then away meetings are hardly affected because it's once or twice a season and home team ( whoever that might be) meetings would only affect the individuals who choose not to go which I doubt would be that many in the great scheme of things. Speedway is far from a mass spectator sport so no difference to people not going anyway for reasons like watching on streaming or being on holiday etc. There's also the hypothetical people who give it the " I'm not going" attitude and still go!! I've known people like this over the years. I'll give you £1 for every hypothetical person that physically attends a speedway meeting. Edited April 24 by Bojangles 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted April 24 Report Share Posted April 24 43 minutes ago, Ray Stadia said: Was Jason a good 'spares van' customer then? He had probably the greatest deal ever, for him anyway, he got the parts but whether he paid for them could is another story. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lioness Posted April 24 Report Share Posted April 24 17 hours ago, iainb said: I have read your post and you don't come across as a very forgiving person. The difference with paedo's becoming teachers is the small matter of the law of the land forbidding it, it's not a matter of opinion. It is not law that burglars can't become speedway riders... or anything else for that matter the only thing he has forfeited is his liberty for a few years and his reputation. There are many people that have turned their lives around and gone on to become inspirational "heroes"... Ant Middleton served time and now does motivational speaking tours. You judge me wrongly. I care very strongly for the disabled individual he assaulted and put the fear of god into and basically ruined the final few years of their life. You do realise he didnt just burgle the house? Its also very telling the tone of your response to Fishersgate when you admit you wouldnt touch him with a bargepole compared to your rather aggressive responses towards me when I am saying the same thing. I wonder why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lioness Posted April 24 Report Share Posted April 24 16 hours ago, midlandred said: Really? How does that work then? Its explained in the rest of the post that you havent quoted with examples Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lioness Posted April 24 Report Share Posted April 24 14 hours ago, Ray Stadia said: I don't see why speedway riders must be holier than thou, to be riders. I'm pretty sure many riders have a 'back catalogue' or skeletons in their cupboard. Many boxers have skeletons and back catalogues. I do understand speedway promoters getting worried about the affect on their gates. On the other hand, he might be a draw. 'Come and see the bad boy come good'! Its a fair point politey put. I dont expect riders to be holier than thou - I doubt if many clubs would have a team lol. Im not holier than thou myself nor do I claim to be. We are probably all aware of a rider who has broken the law and done the time for less extreme crimes and been rehabilitated and come good in speedway and in life. To me its down to the severity of what someone has done and it wasnt *just* burglary for Garrity. For me it also would reflect on the sports credibility with the wider public, those who dont follow speedway but will quite happily jump on the back of the sport allowing someone convicted of his crimes being 'typical' of the people involved in the sport to object to speedway being allowed at a new or existing site 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted April 24 Report Share Posted April 24 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Lioness said: You judge me wrongly. I care very strongly for the disabled individual he assaulted and put the fear of god into and basically ruined the final few years of their life. You do realise he didnt just burgle the house? Its also very telling the tone of your response to Fishersgate when you admit you wouldnt touch him with a bargepole compared to your rather aggressive responses towards me when I am saying the same thing. I wonder why? Apologies if I have come across as aggressive, that's really not my intention. I haven't said you don't care, I have said you don't seem very forgiving. Unlike you I'm not prepared to write somebody off for life for a crime they have committed, pleaded guilty to and served time for. He was found guilty of burglary, robbery and two counts of attempting to commit fraud. My reasons for not touching him with a barge pole are purely Speedway related, but like I said, if I were a desperate promoter I may think differently. Edited April 24 by iainb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONTWOMINUTES Posted April 24 Report Share Posted April 24 1 hour ago, Bojangles said: I'll give you £1 for every hypothetical person that physically attends a speedway meeting. Edited to hypocritical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted April 24 Report Share Posted April 24 The justice system, sentenced for so many years then get out after serving half the sentence ....hmm, prison overcrowding and the backlog of trials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bojangles Posted April 24 Report Share Posted April 24 43 minutes ago, ONTWOMINUTES said: Edited to hypocritical Sorry....couldn't resist! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJA Posted April 24 Report Share Posted April 24 With regards to this, (and coming from a HCB background) many people on here are unable to distinguish from the Can he...(the law of the land) and should he (an individuals opinion based on the strength and direction of said individual's moral compass). The answer for the first is irrefutably YES. The answer to the second is...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Stadia Posted April 24 Report Share Posted April 24 3 hours ago, Lioness said: Its a fair point politey put. I dont expect riders to be holier than thou - I doubt if many clubs would have a team lol. Im not holier than thou myself nor do I claim to be. We are probably all aware of a rider who has broken the law and done the time for less extreme crimes and been rehabilitated and come good in speedway and in life. To me its down to the severity of what someone has done and it wasnt *just* burglary for Garrity. For me it also would reflect on the sports credibility with the wider public, those who dont follow speedway but will quite happily jump on the back of the sport allowing someone convicted of his crimes being 'typical' of the people involved in the sport to object to speedway being allowed at a new or existing site I agree, it is possible the tabloids could get create a negative story, if Jason was allowed back into the sport, but Oscar Wilde said 'there's only one thing worse than being talked about and that's not being talked about'. Is it likely a planning officer/committee would have it brought to their attention that 'speedway employs convicted criminals'? They seem to worry about how the surrounding public are going to be affected, such as: Will the roads be able to take the extra traffic, will the stadium have adequate parking, will the environment be affected, will the greasy motor bike types cause trouble in the area, the noise polution, etc etc 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff100 Posted April 24 Report Share Posted April 24 I saw him at derwentpark in 2018 i said then he was as high as a kite,speedway now should have nothing to do with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted April 24 Report Share Posted April 24 5 minutes ago, geoff100 said: I saw him at derwentpark in 2018 i said then he was as high as a kite,speedway now should have nothing to do with him. If he gets another chance, it's obvious that he will be tested for drugs very quickly, & rightly so in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted April 24 Report Share Posted April 24 4 hours ago, screm said: He had probably the greatest deal ever, for him anyway, he got the parts but whether he paid for them could is another story. I can’t speak for all the spares vans but I do know he had an account at one where he was told a person would sort his bills, I think then garrity was injured and when he came back the person did a runner from speedway, leaving the bill unpaid to this day, I believe it was around £900 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted April 24 Report Share Posted April 24 Makes you wonder who is funding him now, or whether he is using his old equipment ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technik Posted April 24 Report Share Posted April 24 3 hours ago, topaz325 said: The justice system, sentenced for so many years then get out after serving half the sentence ....hmm, prison overcrowding and the backlog of trials. It has been the same for everyone for many years. The sentence handed down is the maximum an individual will serve. But the term is only set for half & parole can be applied for at that point. With the time served & the offender demonstrates good behavior whilst incarcerated, shows remorse for their previous actions with a plan to improve in society & follow a set plan with a registered probation office. The sitting panel will consider all aspects & decide if the applicant is safe for release. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 7 hours ago, Technik said: It has been the same for everyone for many years. The sentence handed down is the maximum an individual will serve. But the term is only set for half & parole can be applied for at that point. With the time served & the offender demonstrates good behavior whilst incarcerated, shows remorse for their previous actions with a plan to improve in society & follow a set plan with a registered probation office. The sitting panel will consider all aspects & decide if the applicant is safe for release. 100%... Many go into prison with alcohol/drug issues, often the issue which caused them to offend as they fed their habit, or were heavily under their influence of, on the day they did the crime itself.. Many then also come out on probation due to "getting clean" whilst inside, with the belief that, with support continuing, they don't then reoffend.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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