Lioness Posted April 19 Report Share Posted April 19 1 hour ago, Humphrey Appleby said: I didn't see the comment in the light of 'I know something you don't'. I think it's fair for a rider to comment that there's others they'd be more concerned about on track without giving specific names. Are these things not linked though? As others have said, if it was a convicted felon going back into plumbing or mechanicing, no-one would care less. Speedway is neither important enough nor sufficiently in the public eye that there's any sort of reputational issue involved, and as much scumbag behaviour offends and appalls me, I think once you've done your time you should be able to resume a gainful working career unless the crime was related to your original employment (i.e. child abusers should never be allowed to work with children or vulnerable people). I get your points Humphrey Was he high on drugs when he committed the offence? Can or should that be taken as an excuse? Or is he just nasty? WIth regards going into employment I very much feel its a horses for courses situation. You wouldnt put a child abuser in a position within a school, I certainly would not be happy about a plumber with his record going into the home of an elderly person - doesnt mean he cant be a plumber, just that I wouldnt want him in the home of a vulnerable person. Sport is a slightly different kettle of fish. There is the aspect of people in sport being seen as 'examples' to their fans and therein lies the crux of the matter for me. I dont think we should be putting someone with his record back in a situation where he will have 'fans' including the young and the impressionable 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*JJ Posted April 20 Report Share Posted April 20 23 hours ago, ONTWOMINUTES said: Nothing much to worry about, that applies to dozens of riders that spit their dummy out. But that one is notorious for being fragile mentally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted April 20 Report Share Posted April 20 On 4/14/2024 at 7:50 PM, therefused said: Riding today at Scunthorpe apparently Did he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONTWOMINUTES Posted April 20 Report Share Posted April 20 1 hour ago, *JJ said: But that one is notorious for being fragile mentally. Again, I'm sure there's plenty fit in that category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted April 20 Report Share Posted April 20 2 hours ago, ONTWOMINUTES said: Again, I'm sure there's plenty fit in that category. Probably a few on this forum if you look on the general discussion section. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therefused Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 On 4/20/2024 at 9:32 AM, 1 valve said: Did he? Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONTWOMINUTES Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 48 minutes ago, therefused said: Yes And rode really well according to people who were there, not long till he's back in a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 3 hours ago, ONTWOMINUTES said: not long till he's back in a team. Team/Cell Delete as applicable 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 7 hours ago, ONTWOMINUTES said: And rode really well according to people who were there, not long till he's back in a team. Chain Gang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neila Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 8 hours ago, ONTWOMINUTES said: And rode really well according to people who were there, not long till he's back in a team. Would think if a promotion was stupid enough to sign him, that promotion would lose most of the crowd !!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 5 hours ago, iainb said: Team/Cell Delete as applicable House..(someone's).. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanAndersen Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 9 hours ago, ONTWOMINUTES said: And rode really well according to people who were there, not long till he's back in a team. I hope not but if he is then at least I can give him the deserved pelters from trackside. Wrong’un 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted April 22 Author Report Share Posted April 22 On 4/19/2024 at 2:08 PM, Lioness said: I get your points Humphrey Was he high on drugs when he committed the offence? Can or should that be taken as an excuse? Or is he just nasty? WIth regards going into employment I very much feel its a horses for courses situation. You wouldnt put a child abuser in a position within a school, I certainly would not be happy about a plumber with his record going into the home of an elderly person - doesnt mean he cant be a plumber, just that I wouldnt want him in the home of a vulnerable person. Sport is a slightly different kettle of fish. There is the aspect of people in sport being seen as 'examples' to their fans and therein lies the crux of the matter for me. I dont think we should be putting someone with his record back in a situation where he will have 'fans' including the young and the impressionable yeah, let em stick to rap music glorifying guns and gangs and shoot em up movies 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted April 22 Report Share Posted April 22 9 minutes ago, ch958 said: yeah, let em stick to rap music glorifying guns and gangs and shoot em up movies Driving around LA, with a prostitute, in a souped up Lambo, selling drugs and machine gunning all your drug pushing competition.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secsy1 Posted April 22 Report Share Posted April 22 On 4/21/2024 at 7:52 PM, JanAndersen said: I hope not but if he is then at least I can give him the deserved pelters from trackside. Wrong’un Pelters is an informal Scottish term that refers to criticism or verbal abuse. It is a plural noun. Pelter, on the other hand is a noun that refers to a person who pelts. A shower of missiles, rain, anger, etc. It can also refer to a pinchpenny, a mean , sordid person, a miser, or skinflint. So which pelters you handing out? Or are you a pelter, a mean sordid person Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted April 23 Report Share Posted April 23 (edited) 12 hours ago, secsy1 said: Pelters is an informal Scottish term that refers to criticism or verbal abuse. It is a plural noun. Pelter, on the other hand is a noun that refers to a person who pelts. A shower of missiles, rain, anger, etc. It can also refer to a pinchpenny, a mean , sordid person, a miser, or skinflint. So which pelters you handing out? Or are you a pelter, a mean sordid person You could also add in Pelt: A pelt is an animal's skin, fur and all. If you are wearing a fur coat, you are really wearing a pelt. Edited April 23 by iainb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lioness Posted April 23 Report Share Posted April 23 18 hours ago, ch958 said: yeah, let em stick to rap music glorifying guns and gangs and shoot em up movies what a mature well thought out response. I'll keep it simple and realistic and point out that what happens in LA or anywhere else does not justify going into the home of an elderly disabled person, scaring the rubbish out of them and stealing their money. Lets not reward those who do eh 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted April 23 Report Share Posted April 23 1 hour ago, Lioness said: what a mature well thought out response. I'll keep it simple and realistic and point out that what happens in LA or anywhere else does not justify going into the home of an elderly disabled person, scaring the rubbish out of them and stealing their money. Lets not reward those who do eh Should he have been sentenced to death? You don't seem to want him to be able to earn an honest living, that's what I assume you mean by "reward"... what do you suggest he do? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FishersGate Posted April 23 Report Share Posted April 23 I wasn't really following speedway much when Garity got put away, so I asked around last week at leicester and some folk explained what had happened and about his release. I actually spoke to ex promoter/team manager on Thursday about Garity just to see what he had to say about his attitude and personality etc. What I will say is I didn't hear one shred of positivity about the bloke. When he was riding apparently his so called 'friends' from the travelling community were entering the stadium without a ticket. They were in the pits and just generally causing abit of a trouble. They were eventually thrown out but apparently it caused a lot of tension between the rider and management. There were other things said but I'd rather not go into it. Now in my opinion this is a really tough subject, does the guy deserve a second chance in life? Probably he does. Does he deserve a chance in speedway? Not so sure. I don't know the guy and can only say what I have been told. I personally wouldn't go near him if I was a promoter/team manager. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortythirtyeight Posted April 23 Report Share Posted April 23 21 minutes ago, FishersGate said: I wasn't really following speedway much when Garity got put away, so I asked around last week at leicester and some folk explained what had happened and about his release. I actually spoke to ex promoter/team manager on Thursday about Garity just to see what he had to say about his attitude and personality etc. What I will say is I didn't hear one shred of positivity about the bloke. When he was riding apparently his so called 'friends' from the travelling community were entering the stadium without a ticket. They were in the pits and just generally causing abit of a trouble. They were eventually thrown out but apparently it caused a lot of tension between the rider and management. There were other things said but I'd rather not go into it. Now in my opinion this is a really tough subject, does the guy deserve a second chance in life? Probably he does. Does he deserve a chance in speedway? Not so sure. I don't know the guy and can only say what I have been told. I personally wouldn't go near him if I was a promoter/team manager. But the head of British Speedway, Godfrey , says it’s all fine, welcome back Jason, ride on my track first , setting a great example to the sport. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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