ONTWOMINUTES Posted April 18 Report Share Posted April 18 7 hours ago, secsy1 said: I think everyone on here should cast their minds back several years ago to a certain incident involving 3 young riders and what they allegedly did to a young lady. Who bailed them, who paid monies to certain parties to keep the alleged incident quiet and where are they now? Not forgetting other speedway criminals like jerran hart who with help from mate's beat up a member of the armed forces for fun or James purchase who killed someone through dangerous driving. I don't remember these individuals getting much stick and infact purchase was welcomed back to cradley with open arms. There's a few more riders who have done crimes similar. Jason hopefully has a second chance. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*JJ Posted April 18 Report Share Posted April 18 9 hours ago, secsy1 said: I think everyone on here should cast their minds back several years ago to a certain incident involving 3 young riders and what they allegedly did to a young lady. Who bailed them, who paid monies to certain parties to keep the alleged incident quiet and where are they now? One is in a wheelchair. One is in disgrace through drugs. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.V 72 Posted April 18 Report Share Posted April 18 16 hours ago, Humphrey Appleby said: The other aspect is they have to be able to take up gainful employment otherwise society will be end-up paying more for them on dole. There's no aspect of the crime being related to speedway, unlike say a convicted child abuser working in a school, so don't really see the issue with working again in speedway. Pretty unpleasant and nasty criminal I think we can agree, but hopefully some lessons have been learned and is now a reformed character. As the sentence was over 4 years, I think that's not an automatic halving and requires some sort of good behaviour and approval of the Parole Board for release. And of course will still be out on licence. There is an aspect of the crime related to speedway that being speedway stadiums are full of older people. If he is accepted back i think he will get a hell of a lot of stick from the crowds where ever he goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted April 18 Report Share Posted April 18 I think his opponents will question whether they will want to be in a race, on a lethal machine, with someone as mentally unstable as he is? brick laying, plumbing, etc etc etc.....are one thing....but, one of the most dangerous sports in the world is another!? Just saying..... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONTWOMINUTES Posted April 18 Report Share Posted April 18 29 minutes ago, GiveusaB said: I think his opponents will question whether they will want to be in a race, on a lethal machine, with someone as mentally unstable as he is? brick laying, plumbing, etc etc etc.....are one thing....but, one of the most dangerous sports in the world is another!? Just saying..... He's not the only speedway rider that's in your words "mentally unstable" , far from it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted April 18 Report Share Posted April 18 Just now, ONTWOMINUTES said: He's not the only speedway rider that's in your words "mentally unstable" , far from it . Agreed! But he's one of the few that have a criminal record for it, therefore, it hits home with a bit more awareness (imo) Personally, I loved watching JG when he was at B'ham....great entertainer and one of the few riders that was worth the entrance fee. I wish him well, as in well-being and hope he's educated himself in the art of 'humanism'! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted April 18 Report Share Posted April 18 19 hours ago, Humphrey Appleby said: The other aspect is they have to be able to take up gainful employment otherwise society will be end-up paying more for them on dole. There's no aspect of the crime being related to speedway, unlike say a convicted child abuser working in a school, so don't really see the issue with working again in speedway. Pretty unpleasant and nasty criminal I think we can agree, but hopefully some lessons have been learned and is now a reformed character. As the sentence was over 4 years, I think that's not an automatic halving and requires some sort of good behaviour and approval of the Parole Board for release. And of course will still be out on licence. If he is out on licence, ie tagged, he would struggle to find a team that didn't race after 8pm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted April 18 Report Share Posted April 18 3 hours ago, GiveusaB said: I think his opponents will question whether they will want to be in a race, on a lethal machine, with someone as mentally unstable as he is? brick laying, plumbing, etc etc etc.....are one thing....but, one of the most dangerous sports in the world is another!? Just saying..... Racing against garrity wouldn’t trouble me even knowing what he has done as long as he is drug free however there is another rider who I do think is a worry and certainly makes me think speedway isn’t the ideal occupation for his personality 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted April 18 Report Share Posted April 18 Letting someone like that back into a sport would give it a bad name in the media I guess that is where speedway has an advantage. It doesn't have a good name, nor bad. It is just ignored 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lioness Posted April 18 Report Share Posted April 18 On 4/17/2024 at 12:38 PM, IronScorpion said: I wonder how many "amateurs" turn out in meetings having taken medicines, smoked or drunk alcohol days before a meeting. That wasnt what he was in jail for though. He entered an elderly persons house, assaulted them, put the fear of god into them and stole. Im all for rehabilitation and acknowledging time served but there are exceptions to this rule for me, and that includes this sort of behaviour, drug dealing, child abuse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lioness Posted April 18 Report Share Posted April 18 4 hours ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: Racing against garrity wouldn’t trouble me even knowing what he has done as long as he is drug free however there is another rider who I do think is a worry and certainly makes me think speedway isn’t the ideal occupation for his personality Serious question, who is it that you worry about? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted April 18 Report Share Posted April 18 18 minutes ago, Lioness said: Serious question, who is it that you worry about? No way he will say the name on a forum 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted April 18 Report Share Posted April 18 2 minutes ago, Triple.H. said: No way he will say the name on a forum Well say nothing then 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lioness Posted April 19 Report Share Posted April 19 12 hours ago, proud panther said: Well say nothing then Yip, I agree I've said to someone who pulled the old 'I have a reliable source so I am right but I wont tell you my source' sort of thing that if you arent willing to name the source then keep schtum. Its the same for this situation It was worth a cheeky attempt at trying to get the name though I didnt for a minute expect it to succeed though As an aside though, it concerns me a little that the drugs side of thing is what is being concentrated on rather than what he did to a vulnerable disabled elderly person in their own home. If you want to get over the narrow minded perception of some of speedway's image, Im not sure granting him his licence back is the way to go about it 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted April 19 Report Share Posted April 19 36 minutes ago, Lioness said: Yip, I agree I've said to someone who pulled the old 'I have a reliable source so I am right but I wont tell you my source' sort of thing that if you arent willing to name the source then keep schtum. Its the same for this situation I didn't see the comment in the light of 'I know something you don't'. I think it's fair for a rider to comment that there's others they'd be more concerned about on track without giving specific names. 36 minutes ago, Lioness said: As an aside though, it concerns me a little that the drugs side of thing is what is being concentrated on rather than what he did to a vulnerable disabled elderly person in their own home. Are these things not linked though? 36 minutes ago, Lioness said: If you want to get over the narrow minded perception of some of speedway's image, Im not sure granting him his licence back is the way to go about it As others have said, if it was a convicted felon going back into plumbing or mechanicing, no-one would care less. Speedway is neither important enough nor sufficiently in the public eye that there's any sort of reputational issue involved, and as much scumbag behaviour offends and appalls me, I think once you've done your time you should be able to resume a gainful working career unless the crime was related to your original employment (i.e. child abusers should never be allowed to work with children or vulnerable people). 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted April 19 Report Share Posted April 19 7 minutes ago, Humphrey Appleby said: I didn't see the comment in the light of 'I know something you don't'. I think it's fair for a rider to comment that there's others they'd be more concerned about on track without giving specific names. Are these things not linked though? As others have said, if it was a convicted felon going back into plumbing or mechanicing, no-one would care less. Speedway is neither important enough nor sufficiently in the public eye that there's any sort of reputational issue involved, and as much scumbag behaviour offends and appalls me, I think once you've done your time you should be able to resume a gainful working career unless the crime was related to your original employment (i.e. child abusers should never be allowed to work with children or vulnerable people). Interesting aside: how do you feel about Tony Clarke? His crimes were against speedway, yet he was back in the Wolverhampton team within days of his release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*JJ Posted April 19 Report Share Posted April 19 14 hours ago, Lioness said: Serious question, who is it that you worry about? Maybe the one who I once saw having hysterics in the pits, throwing a fire bucket around, and shutting himself in the changing room ... because he had been excluded under two minutes ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted April 19 Report Share Posted April 19 9 minutes ago, arnieg said: Interesting aside: how do you feel about Tony Clarke? His crimes were against speedway, yet he was back in the Wolverhampton team within days of his release. Before my time really and don't fully know the details of that particular theft. But whilst I wouldn't equate the gravity of straightforward nicking of bikes with robbing vulnerable people with menaces, I don't think you'd want such people back in the same workplace where there's the opportunity to nick more bikes. I think I previously qualified my views on rehabilitation versus ongoing risk to others involved in the industry. At the end of the day though - with certain obvious exceptions - I think it needs to be up to individual employers whether they want to employ former criminals. I wouldn't employ someone who'd robbed disabled people unless I was absolutely convinced they were a reformed character, but if you get into blanket bans on former criminals resuming their former (honest) trade for unrelated crimes, where does it stop? And unless you mandate the death penalty for every crime, even former criminals need to make a living otherwise we'll continue to have to pay for them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefty Posted April 19 Report Share Posted April 19 1 hour ago, arnieg said: Interesting aside: how do you feel about Tony Clarke? His crimes were against speedway, yet he was back in the Wolverhampton team within days of his release. I was of the belief that the Ruskies were happy to sell off tyres and equipment at the end of a tour as dollars / pounds were a benefit to them. Is this a fair reflection that the 'theft' was arse covering when things went a bit muddy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONTWOMINUTES Posted April 19 Report Share Posted April 19 1 hour ago, *JJ said: Maybe the one who I once saw having hysterics in the pits, throwing a fire bucket around, and shutting himself in the changing room ... because he had been excluded under two minutes ... Nothing much to worry about, that applies to dozens of riders that spit their dummy out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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