chunky Posted October 15, 2020 Report Share Posted October 15, 2020 My next question is the result of stumbling across an incident in an old Speedway Star. We've gone through cases of riders not meeting a certain opponent during a whole meeting, but what about the opposite? On 24th June, 1976, Sheffield took on Coventry in a BL fixture, and Doug Wyer scored a 15-point max. In FOUR of his five rides he faced Ole Olsen! I know rider replacement and tac subs can increase the chances of that, but four out of five seems excessive! Does anyone know of any similar cases? Has anyone ever faced the same rider five times in an evening? Have any two riders met in every race? Over to you... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted October 15, 2020 Report Share Posted October 15, 2020 1 minute ago, chunky said: My next question is the result of stumbling across an incident in an old Speedway Star. We've gone through cases of riders not meeting a certain opponent during a whole meeting, but what about the opposite? On 24th June, 1976, Sheffield took on Coventry in a BL fixture, and Doug Wyer scored a 15-point max. In FOUR of his five rides he faced Ole Olsen! I know rider replacement and tac subs can increase the chances of that, but four out of five seems excessive! Does anyone know of any similar cases? Has anyone ever faced the same rider five times in an evening? Have any two riders met in every race? Over to you... You're coming up with right 'corkers' chunky. I'm going to check out Gordon Kennett's record during the 1977 season when at the commencement of the season he was often taking two Rider Replacement rides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted October 15, 2020 Report Share Posted October 15, 2020 6 minutes ago, chunky said: My next question is the result of stumbling across an incident in an old Speedway Star. We've gone through cases of riders not meeting a certain opponent during a whole meeting, but what about the opposite? On 24th June, 1976, Sheffield took on Coventry in a BL fixture, and Doug Wyer scored a 15-point max. In FOUR of his five rides he faced Ole Olsen! I know rider replacement and tac subs can increase the chances of that, but four out of five seems excessive! Does anyone know of any similar cases? Has anyone ever faced the same rider five times in an evening? Have any two riders met in every race? Over to you... I'm pretty sure I've seen two reserves race each other 5 times at the Isle of Wight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted October 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2020 Just now, steve roberts said: You're coming up with right 'corkers' chunky. I'm going to check out Gordon Kennett's record during the 1977 season when at the commencement of the season he was often taking two Rider Replacement rides. I'm trying! Thing is, I love stats, and I constantly go through meeting reports and scores looking for weird stuff. As I said, this is one I just stumbled on. Another one I found recently was a rider riding in four successive races in a team meeting. I'm sure there are others, but has anyone done five on the bounce? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted October 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2020 1 minute ago, arnieg said: I'm pretty sure I've seen two reserves race each other 5 times at the Isle of Wight. Interesting... Obviously, we've had different formats which can change the odds, but five seems a lot. Have to look into that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted October 15, 2020 Report Share Posted October 15, 2020 4 minutes ago, chunky said: I'm trying! Thing is, I love stats, and I constantly go through meeting reports and scores looking for weird stuff. As I said, this is one I just stumbled on. Another one I found recently was a rider riding in four successive races in a team meeting. I'm sure there are others, but has anyone done five on the bounce? I seem to recall Trevor Geer doing that during the 1977 season at Poole? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted October 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2020 4 minutes ago, steve roberts said: I seem to recall Trevor Geer doing that during the 1977 season at Poole? Thanks; I'll check that out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted October 15, 2020 Report Share Posted October 15, 2020 31 minutes ago, chunky said: Interesting... Obviously, we've had different formats which can change the odds, but five seems a lot. Have to look into that! I was wrong, it was SIX (yes six!!) times 4 August 2016 George Piper (IoW) v Bradley Andrews (Cradley) Piper took seven rides after fellow reserve Tyler Govier withdrew following a ht 2 fall. With Andrews on song and getting extra rides the pair met in heats: 2,4,8, 11,12 and 14. Andrews beat Piper 4-2 which was crucial as Heathens won the match 45-44. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted October 15, 2020 Report Share Posted October 15, 2020 37 minutes ago, chunky said: Thanks; I'll check that out! I'm not able to access "Speedway Researcher" for some reason...only just started using it. A great source of information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted October 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2020 20 minutes ago, arnieg said: I was wrong, it was SIX (yes six!!) times 4 August 2016 George Piper (IoW) v Bradley Andrews (Cradley) Piper took seven rides after fellow reserve Tyler Govier withdrew following a ht 2 fall. With Andrews on song and getting extra rides the pair met in heats: 2,4,8, 11,12 and 14. Andrews beat Piper 4-2 which was crucial as Heathens won the match 45-44. That's great; thanks! I'm sure that's the record... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted October 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2020 1 hour ago, steve roberts said: I seem to recall Trevor Geer doing that during the 1977 season at Poole? Only three. He rode in heats 2, 3, 4 (he won all three), then 6, 8, and 9. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted October 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2020 19 minutes ago, steve roberts said: I'm not able to access "Speedway Researcher" for some reason...only just started using it. A great source of information. I love it. Problem is there is still a lot of stuff that hasn't made it on there. I really wish I had time to help Matt, but it is such a huge undertaking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted October 15, 2020 Report Share Posted October 15, 2020 58 minutes ago, chunky said: Only three. He rode in heats 2, 3, 4 (he won all three), then 6, 8, and 9. Thanks for that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted October 15, 2020 Report Share Posted October 15, 2020 57 minutes ago, chunky said: I love it. Problem is there is still a lot of stuff that hasn't made it on there. I really wish I had time to help Matt, but it is such a huge undertaking. As I say I've only just started using it (don't why it took me so long?) and it's a great resource...I've had problems today trying to open up some of the year options. I'll try again later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted October 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2020 17 minutes ago, steve roberts said: As I say I've only just started using it (don't why it took me so long?) and it's a great resource...I've had problems today trying to open up some of the year options. I'll try again later. I think I can explain... It's not always easy to tell the difference (for us old gits with bad eyes) but if there is a working link, the text is green , but otherwise, it is black. As I said, it's not always easy to see, so I think that may be your problem. It particularly affects the late 70's onwards. Now... You told me about Trevor Geer at Poole in 1977. There is no active file for Poole OR White City in 1977. However, if you search by year (rather than by team), you will find a file for the 1977 complete season results, and that is where I found it. Again, it is no criticism of Matt, Jim, or anyone else who has worked on the site, but not everything is available in every section. A lot of the time, the info just hasn't made it to the site, but sometimes it is, but just not available on team AND year. That is why I'd like to find time to help; it's not necessarily a case of searching for information, just collating the stuff already there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted October 15, 2020 Report Share Posted October 15, 2020 Just now, chunky said: I think I can explain... It's not always easy to tell the difference (for us old gits with bad eyes) but if there is a working link, the text is green , but otherwise, it is black. As I said, it's not always easy to see, so I think that may be your problem. It particularly affects the late 70's onwards. Now... You told me about Trevor Geer at Poole in 1977. There is no active file for Poole OR White City in 1977. However, if you search by year (rather than by team), you will find a file for the 1977 complete season results, and that is where I found it. Again, it is no criticism of Matt, Jim, or anyone else who has worked on the site, but not everything is available in every section. A lot of the time, the info just hasn't made it to the site, but sometimes it is, but just not available on team AND year. That is why I'd like to find time to help; it's not necessarily a case of searching for information, just collating the stuff already there. Thanks again...I'm having some great nostalgic fun accessing the files. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted October 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, steve roberts said: Thanks again...I'm having some great nostalgic fun accessing the files. If ever you have any questions, please feel free to ask! So, you think that was your problem? I do want to redo all the World Finals for them as there are many spelling mistakes. That shouldn't be two difficult or time consuming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted October 15, 2020 Report Share Posted October 15, 2020 1 minute ago, chunky said: If ever you have any questions, please feel free to ask! So, you think that was your problem? I do want to redo all the World Finals for them as there are many spelling mistakes. That shouldn't be two difficult or time consuming. Yes having looked at it again I can see that I find it difficult differentiating between black and green...and I'm 'only' sixty! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted October 15, 2020 Report Share Posted October 15, 2020 3 hours ago, chunky said: My next question is the result of stumbling across an incident in an old Speedway Star. We've gone through cases of riders not meeting a certain opponent during a whole meeting, but what about the opposite? On 24th June, 1976, Sheffield took on Coventry in a BL fixture, and Doug Wyer scored a 15-point max. In FOUR of his five rides he faced Ole Olsen! I know rider replacement and tac subs can increase the chances of that, but four out of five seems excessive! Does anyone know of any similar cases? Has anyone ever faced the same rider five times in an evening? Have any two riders met in every race? Over to you... Please Please Pretty Please Did Wyer the Flyer give him a headstart and then smoke him like a kipper/Danish bacon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted October 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2020 59 minutes ago, Triple.H. said: Please Please Pretty Please Did Wyer the Flyer give him a headstart and then smoke him like a kipper/Danish bacon Wyer you asking me??? Olsen only scored 8, so he must have bean off-form. Losing to the same rider four times would have left him with egg on his face... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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