Col Posted November 6, 2020 Report Share Posted November 6, 2020 16 hours ago, HenryW said: They have a rider who finished 8th in the averages...in an 8 team league. And this makes him a better than average third heat leader? There must be a fair few teams missing a number 1 and/or number 2 if everyone below him is at 3rd heat leader level. Nit picking. They don't have a GP rider of which there are 15, so all things being equal most teams will have 2 GP riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearbutnaeidea Posted November 6, 2020 Report Share Posted November 6, 2020 5 minutes ago, Col said: Nit picking. They don't have a GP rider of which there are 15, so all things being equal most teams will have 2 GP riders. Grudziadz have a GP rider... it’s KK, being a GP rider is irrelevant when the best 15 riders in the world dont make up the GP field Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted November 6, 2020 Report Share Posted November 6, 2020 Nothing wrong with Grigorij Laguta but I don't think he's quite in the same bracket as the genuinely top class riders - Zmarzlik, Woffinden, A Laguta, Madsen, Janowski, Sayfutdinov, Vaculik, Doyle & Lindgren. At 36 he's unlikely to improve too. So Lublin don't have an out & out #1 they have a very good second heat leader and 4 third heat leaders. With the best tail in the league they should be very competitive. Kasprzak & Berntzon in the GP's will be out classed, but they qualified by rights. I can only assume the Polish riders fall out with the National team boss is how Kasprzak was nominated for the GP challenge ahead of Piotr Pawlicki & a few others Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlata prilba Posted November 6, 2020 Report Share Posted November 6, 2020 6 hours ago, racers and royals said: ZG to announce their team next week- they have announced today that MJJ, Lindback and Jeppesen won`t be amongst them. Not surprised with MJJ and Lindback getting the boot both of them were poor this season for ZG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted November 6, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2020 26 minutes ago, Col said: Nothing wrong with Grigorij Laguta but I don't think he's quite in the same bracket as the genuinely top class riders - Zmarzlik, Woffinden, A Laguta, Madsen, Janowski, Sayfutdinov, Vaculik, Doyle & Lindgren. At 36 he's unlikely to improve too. So Lublin don't have an out & out #1 they have a very good second heat leader and 4 third heat leaders. With the best tail in the league they should be very competitive. Kasprzak & Berntzon in the GP's will be out classed, but they qualified by rights. I can only assume the Polish riders fall out with the National team boss is how Kasprzak was nominated for the GP challenge ahead of Piotr Pawlicki & a few others No- KK won the Golden Helmet which in this Covid season gave him the spot in the Challenge final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted November 6, 2020 Report Share Posted November 6, 2020 4 hours ago, Col said: Nit picking. They don't have a GP rider of which there are 15, so all things being equal most teams will have 2 GP riders. And as others have pointed out, the permanent riders in the SGP aren't necessarily the best 15 in the Polish league. When talking about the standard of a rider in a Polish league team, it seems more reasonable to me to consider what they actually do in the Polish league rather than individual competitions. 38 minutes ago, Col said: Nothing wrong with Grigorij Laguta but I don't think he's quite in the same bracket as the genuinely top class riders - Zmarzlik, Woffinden, A Laguta, Madsen, Janowski, Sayfutdinov, Vaculik, Doyle & Lindgren. At 36 he's unlikely to improve too. So Lublin don't have an out & out #1 they have a very good second heat leader and 4 third heat leaders. With the best tail in the league they should be very competitive. Averages say that Laguta did much better in the Polish League than the two highlighted. I take your point about his age, but there have been a few that have kept their stadard up beyond that age in recent years. Funnily enough, Mikkel Michelsen also finished with a higher average than Doyle and Lindgren last year...So maybe Lublin have better league riders than you give them credit for. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinh88 Posted November 6, 2020 Report Share Posted November 6, 2020 (edited) 47 minutes ago, HenryW said: And as others have pointed out, the permanent riders in the SGP aren't necessarily the best 15 in the Polish league. When talking about the standard of a rider in a Polish league team, it seems more reasonable to me to consider what they actually do in the Polish league rather than individual competitions. Averages say that Laguta did much better in the Polish League than the two highlighted. I take your point about his age, but there have been a few that have kept their stadard up beyond that age in recent years. Funnily enough, Mikkel Michelsen also finished with a higher average than Doyle and Lindgren last year...So maybe Lublin have better league riders than you give them credit for. Laguta can certainly match Doyle, Lindgren and Janowski. Bar one naff year at Torun, he is usually around the 8.5 mark most years. His downfall is on the continent out with Poland and his homeland. Wrong bike set-up coupled with episodes of erratic riding usually penalises his final points score. Bit of a gulf though compared to his brother, BZ, Emil and Madsen once he fully recovers from injury. Would like to see him reach the GP before he retires. Edited November 6, 2020 by Robinh88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted November 6, 2020 Report Share Posted November 6, 2020 6 minutes ago, Robinh88 said: Would like to see him reach the GP before he retires. I think this year was probably the best chance with the crazy weak GP Challenge and him being nominated straight into the final...but he blew it pretty quickly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted November 6, 2020 Report Share Posted November 6, 2020 Wroclaw looked good on paper last year ,but failed on track.We just have to wait and see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted November 7, 2020 Report Share Posted November 7, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, HenryW said: And as others have pointed out, the permanent riders in the SGP aren't necessarily the best 15 in the Polish league. When talking about the standard of a rider in a Polish league team, it seems more reasonable to me to consider what they actually do in the Polish league rather than individual competitions. Averages say that Laguta did much better in the Polish League than the two highlighted. I take your point about his age, but there have been a few that have kept their stadard up beyond that age in recent years. Funnily enough, Mikkel Michelsen also finished with a higher average than Doyle and Lindgren last year...So maybe Lublin have better league riders than you give them credit for. Were Doyle & Lindgren stats obscured by Czestochowa's cancelled home fixtures? Did Lublin operate RR for a rider for a lengthy period? If so were Laguta & Mikkelsen used wisely and their RR rides in heats they'd surely win? How teams lineup their 1-5 can also affect this. I don't know. I do know I'd rather have Lindgren & Doyle in my team than G Laguta & Mikkelsen. Edited November 7, 2020 by Col Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearbutnaeidea Posted November 7, 2020 Report Share Posted November 7, 2020 8 hours ago, Col said: Were Doyle & Lindgren stats obscured by Czestochowa's cancelled home fixtures? Did Lublin operate RR for a rider for a lengthy period? If so were Laguta & Mikkelsen used wisely and their RR rides in heats they'd surely win? How teams lineup their 1-5 can also affect this. I don't know. I do know I'd rather have Lindgren & Doyle in my team than G Laguta & Mikkelsen. No. They were just better than Doyle and Lindgren. G Laguta is a great rider in Poland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinh88 Posted November 9, 2020 Report Share Posted November 9, 2020 On 11/7/2020 at 12:10 AM, Col said: Were Doyle & Lindgren stats obscured by Czestochowa's cancelled home fixtures? Did Lublin operate RR for a rider for a lengthy period? If so were Laguta & Mikkelsen used wisely and their RR rides in heats they'd surely win? How teams lineup their 1-5 can also affect this. I don't know. I do know I'd rather have Lindgren & Doyle in my team than G Laguta & Mikkelsen. I’d take Laguta over Doyle and Lindgren over Mikkelson! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted November 9, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2020 Kenneth Bjerre confirmed as staying with Grudziadz in 2021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted November 9, 2020 Report Share Posted November 9, 2020 Hampel and Michelson confirmed for Lublin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted November 10, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2020 Karol Zupinski joins Torun from Gdansk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted November 11, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2020 Live press conference at Zielona Gora Thursday 12th November at 5pm UK time when i think they will name their team for 2021. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted November 11, 2020 Report Share Posted November 11, 2020 22 hours ago, racers and royals said: Karol Zupinski joins Torun from Gdansk U21? Any good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted November 11, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, Col said: U21? Any good? Only 18 rode for Gdansk in 2020 - 14 matches 51 rides 10 wins. Improving i would say, but a way to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted November 12, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2020 Zagar, Fricke, Tonder and Protasiewicz named in ZG’s team for 2021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted November 13, 2020 Report Share Posted November 13, 2020 FZG gonna struggle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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