Guest compost Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 Hopefully not stealing Chunky's thunder but I've wondered for some time if there has ever been a UK 16 rider/20 heat individual meeting where the points scored by the riders went 15,14,13,12,11,10,9,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1,0. Anyone come across such a result ? The nearest I can recall coming across was 15,14,13,12,11,10,9 though I don't remember what the meeting was. PS. If it helps multiple riders could have scored 0. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 1 minute ago, compost said: Hopefully not stealing Chunky's thunder but I've wondered for some time if there has ever been a UK 16 rider/20 heat individual meeting where the points scored by the riders went 15,14,13,12,11,10,9,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1,0. Anyone come across such a result ? The nearest I can recall coming across was 15,14,13,12,11,10,9 though I don't remember what the meeting was. PS. If it helps multiple riders could have scored 0. Don't worry, that is something I've already thought about! This is what is great, though; I love people coming up with these questions and possible scenarios. What's the lowest winning score in a standard 20-heat individual meeting? What is the largest winning margin? What is the largest number of separate race winners? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 1 hour ago, chunky said: What's the lowest winning score in a standard 20-heat individual meeting? Not being a mathematician myself, do you (or anyone else come to that) know what the lowest possible winning score is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, norbold said: Not being a mathematician myself, do you (or anyone else come to that) know what the lowest possible winning score is? i would imagine 9 after a run off First four races everyone scores 3 2 1 0, and then four riders get 3 points from the last four races, therefore four on 9, and a runoff for first place could be wrong though Edited October 6, 2020 by The Third Man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chadster Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 There are 120 available points in a 20 heat individual meeting. Divide that by 16 and you'd get 8 point something, so the lowest possible winning score would be 9, if my maths is correct, which there's every chance of it not being. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 Just now, The Third Man said: i would imagine 9 after a run off First four races everyone scores 3 2 1 0, and the four riders get 3 points from the last four races, therefore four on 9, and a runoff for first place could be wrong though You are wrong; it's 8... I used to think it was 9, but there are 120 points available, which means you can have eight scoring 8 (64) and 8 on 7 (56). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 Just now, chunky said: You are wrong; it's 8... I used to think it was 9, but there are 120 points available, which means you can have eight scoring 8 (64) and 8 on 7 (56). But is that possible with the system of points scoring? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, The Third Man said: But is that possible with the system of points scoring? Absolutely. You are making the same mistake I used to make - working on the assumption that everyone was on 6 after four rides! Put some on 7 and some on 5 - that will still balance out. All it means is that the riders on 5 will win their last rides. I am at work at the moment, so I will show you exactly later. Edited October 6, 2020 by chunky 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, chunky said: Absolutely. You are making the same mistake I used to make - working on the assumption that everyone was on 6 after four rides! Put some on 7 and some on 5 - that will still balance out. All it means is that the riders on 5 will win their last rides. I am at work at the moment, so I will show you exactly later. So, if you had eight riders on eight points, you would have to have two semi-finals and a final to decide the winner. That sounds like a really ridiculous way of deciding the winner of an individual meeting....oh, hang on a minute.... 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 10 minutes ago, chunky said: Absolutely. You are making the same mistake I used to make - working on the assumption that everyone was on 6 after four rides! Put some on 7 and some on 5 - that will still balance out. All it means is that the riders on 5 will win their last rides. I am at work at the moment, so I will show you exactly later. Its OK i can see how it works, fun for the run offs though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 4 minutes ago, The Third Man said: Its OK i can see how it works, fun for the run offs though Actually, I just did a quick run through here. I had ten on 8, four on 7, and two on six... There are many options, but they all come out to an eight-point winner! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 So, when I say I'm an anorak - I mean "I'M AN ANORAK"! For some reason, I just love weird stuff like this - same as my GP claim. For those who don't know - particularly if you thought last year's GP scoring was "perfect", it was possible for a rider to win EVERY GP, and still not qualify for this year in the Top 8. Fact... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WembleyLion Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 I came very close to seeing five riders tie on 13 points in the Golden Hammer on 23 October 2017. It was going nicely to plan right up until heat 19 when Max Clegg had to win which he did and Ashley Morris had to finish second which I recall was going to happen until he fell and remounted for third. In heat 20 Broc Nicol would have also have needed a second behind the winner Ben Morley but Broc fell and was excluded although it didn’t matter by then as the possibility of five riders on 13 had ceased in heat 19! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WembleyLion Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 (edited) 46 minutes ago, chunky said: Actually, I just did a quick run through here. I had ten on 8, four on 7, and two on six... There are many options, but they all come out to an eight-point winner! From a mathematical point of view the answer is 7.5 I guess. 120 available points divided by 16 riders. This would involve at number of dead heats! Edited October 6, 2020 by WembleyLion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 5 minutes ago, WembleyLion said: From a mathematical point of view the answer is 7.5 I guess. 120 available points divided by 16 riders. This would involve at number of dead heats! It is an average of 7.5 per rider, but obviously for it to be won with 7.5, it would require ALL dead heats... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 5 minutes ago, chunky said: It is an average of 7.5 per rider, but obviously for it to be won with 7.5, it would require ALL dead heats... No, just 8 dead heats (or less if you also have some 4 rider dead heats). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, arnieg said: No, just 8 dead heats (or less if you also have some 4 rider dead heats). Yeah, I realised that after I said it; I just didn't have time to get back on and correct it! So, What is the rule for points on dead heats for more than two riders? Yeah, we're REALLY complicating this now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 9 minutes ago, chunky said: Yeah, I realised that after I said it; I just didn't have time to get back on and correct it! So, What is the rule for points on dead heats for more than two riders? Yeah, we're REALLY complicating this now... 3 riders get two points each. 4 Riders would get 1.5 points each. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WembleyLion Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 40 minutes ago, chunky said: It is an average of 7.5 per rider, but obviously for it to be won with 7.5, it would require ALL dead heats... I think it would require a minimum of 4 (4 way!) dead heats so technically not all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, chunky said: Yeah, I realised that after I said it; I just didn't have time to get back on and correct it! So, What is the rule for points on dead heats for more than two riders? Yeah, we're REALLY complicating this now... Didn't the FIM do away with dead heats in recent years? Edit - Apparently not. The SGP rules still mention them. Edited October 6, 2020 by HenryW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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