Fromafar Posted October 5, 2020 Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 On 10/5/2020 at 7:38 PM, moomin man 76 said: All in all, the substitute list is Loktaev for his performance in the GP Challenge, followed by the finishing order in the World U21 Final. The latter was seeded as one rider per nation, hence there are riders now on the GP substitute list, who may not have even made it to a World U21 Final in a normal year. I have no problem with promoting young riders, so long as they are competitive. Sadly with the exception of Lidsey and possibly Kubera those nominated are no where near GP standard. In all probability, another one of Castagna's rubbish ideas... Expand Agree,you could name 1/2 dozen Young Danes and Poles who are a lot better . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 On 10/5/2020 at 8:10 AM, OveFundinFan said: But these old stagers can still teach the young ones a lesson. Zagar, even though he had already quailed for next year was still giving it some welly, he got a semi place over the 8 rounds. Expand He won 1 race in 8 rounds. And ironically that wasn't when he made his one semi final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 It seems very tough on Smektala as the list is promoting young talent. But because he's 22 he is overlooked for a load of 21 year olds, of whom only Lidsey is currently a match for him. (although I do think Kubera will turn out better than Smektala in the long run). My choices 1 Lidsey 2 Michelsen 3 Smektala or Pawlicki 4 Loktaev 5 Holder 6 Pawlicki or Smektala 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 On 10/5/2020 at 8:04 AM, iainb said: All very safe expected picks... maybe it's time to look at a radical overhaul of the SGP with the new rights holders. It seems to me that the only reason that 16 riders are included in a world final/ GP series is because mathematically this works out that each rider meets every other rider once over the course of 20 heats. Over the course of the World Championship there has generally never really been a rider been a rider from outside of the top 8 who have gone on to win it (although no doubt somebody will come up with an exception Szczakiel, Muller). Expand A certain Tai Woffinden in 2013? Madsen came in and finished 2nd in 2019? Zmarzlik finished 3rd in his debut season, Dudek 2nd in his. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 (edited) On 10/6/2020 at 11:23 AM, waiheke1 said: A certain Tai Woffinden in 2013? Madsen came in and finished 2nd in 2019? Zmarzlik finished 3rd in his debut season, Dudek 2nd in his. Expand Yeh, but apart from them, who else has made an impact as an unproven newcomer? [Paraphrasing from the Life of Brian ] Edited October 6, 2020 by False dawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 wouldn't be surprised if 2021 will be Woffinden's last season in speedway if he doesn't win the title. car racing in Australia maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 On 10/6/2020 at 7:42 AM, arnieg said: It seems very tough on Smektala as the list is promoting young talent. But because he's 22 he is overlooked for a load of 21 year olds, of whom only Lidsey is currently a match for him. (although I do think Kubera will turn out better than Smektala in the long run). My choices 1 Lidsey 2 Michelsen 3 Smektala or Pawlicki 4 Loktaev 5 Holder 6 Pawlicki or Smektala Expand Anyone one that list beats the reserve list hands down.Excluding Lidsey and Loktaev as they are already on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 (edited) On 10/6/2020 at 12:34 PM, stevehone said: wouldn't be surprised if 2021 will be Woffinden's last season in speedway if he doesn't win the title. car racing in Australia maybe? Expand That thought had crossed my mind now 30 yrs old , serious back injury ,three titles ,young family and I would have imagine not badly off either who would blame him .With Bart & co he really has to go out of his comfort zone to beat them ,not something he has had do that often before or he can adopt the Hancock approach and play the safe long game . Edited October 6, 2020 by FAST GATER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 On 10/6/2020 at 4:14 PM, FAST GATER said: That thought had crossed my mind now 30 yrs old , serious back injury ,three titles ,young family and I would have imagine not badly off either who would blame him .With Bart & co he really has to go out of his comfort zone to beat them ,not something he has had do that often before or he can adopt the Hancock approach and play the safe long game . Expand His BT Sport interview was good as he seemed really fired up. He has not been safe this year with at least 3 big crashes. None his fault if remembering right. But he admitted to not being on form the whole season so may be its just a lack of confidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 On 10/6/2020 at 4:14 PM, FAST GATER said: That thought had crossed my mind now 30 yrs old , serious back injury ,three titles ,young family and I would have imagine not badly off either who would blame him .With Bart & co he really has to go out of his comfort zone to beat them ,not something he has had do that often before or he can adopt the Hancock approach and play the safe long game . Expand He is class act on a bike,don’t think he goes out of his comfort zone these days but is still at the top end of the sport.Will earn a lot of money in the next few years in a Poland so can see him sticking around the sport.Trouble is injuries can be due to other outside influences.Most of his injuries This season were accidents that were caused by other riders.Glad to see his injuries are not too bad given the horrendous crash at the week end ,could have been a lot worse. Ps. Not his biggest fan, but recognise his ability. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 On 10/6/2020 at 12:34 PM, stevehone said: wouldn't be surprised if 2021 will be Woffinden's last season in speedway if he doesn't win the title. car racing in Australia maybe? Expand Probably right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 On 10/6/2020 at 4:50 PM, topaz325 said: Probably right Expand If Polish pay rates return to near normal next season, there is some easy money for him most of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r8gdp Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 Hopefully things will start to get back to something like normal would love to see the GPS spread over the whole season I think it will give Tai a better chance to beat zmarzlik. Can only see Madsen challenging them . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 On 10/6/2020 at 5:03 PM, Fromafar said: If Polish pay rates return to near normal next season, there is some easy money for him most of the time. Expand not sure that'll happen, reckon the clubs have the riders by the short and curlies after this year 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 On 10/6/2020 at 6:18 PM, stevehone said: not sure that'll happen, reckon the clubs have the riders by the short and curlies after this year Expand They will certainly talk tough regarding pay.If things in the Country have returned to anywhere near normal,they might have a rider revolt on their hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearbutnaeidea Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 Tai said in his chat shows that he wasn’t sticking around in Speedway and would retire and change to car racing before long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 On 10/6/2020 at 7:42 AM, arnieg said: It seems very tough on Smektala as the list is promoting young talent. But because he's 22 he is overlooked for a load of 21 year olds, of whom only Lidsey is currently a match for him. (although I do think Kubera will turn out better than Smektala in the long run). My choices 1 Lidsey 2 Michelsen 3 Smektala or Pawlicki 4 Loktaev 5 Holder 6 Pawlicki or Smektala Expand I agree with that point, forcing SON teams to include an U-21 rider could lead to a far weaker 20/21 year old replacing & very promising & talented 21/22 year old! Same situation for the substitutes picked! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 On 10/6/2020 at 9:26 PM, allthegearbutnaeidea said: Tai said in his chat shows that he wasn’t sticking around in Speedway and would retire and change to car racing before long. Expand and makes the thought better as i've never seen his chat show Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaboy279 Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 On 10/7/2020 at 10:32 PM, stevehone said: and makes the thought better as i've never seen his chat show Expand I had not even heard of it.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted October 8, 2020 Report Share Posted October 8, 2020 On 10/7/2020 at 11:01 PM, teaboy279 said: I had not even heard of it.... Expand ditto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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