chunky Posted October 1, 2020 Report Share Posted October 1, 2020 Here's the next in my series of odd queries; what is the greatest number of different race winners during a match? Have we ever had a situation where no rider won more than one heat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted October 1, 2020 Report Share Posted October 1, 2020 This one needs some deep thought...wish that I'd hung on to all my programmes now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted October 1, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2020 29 minutes ago, steve roberts said: This one needs some deep thought...wish that I'd hung on to all my programmes now! That's why I love Speedway Researcher! Still, as we've seen previously, BL65 and Dave Allan seem to have this stuff in their heads! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BL65 Posted October 1, 2020 Report Share Posted October 1, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, chunky said: Here's the next in my series of odd queries; what is the greatest number of different race winners during a match? Have we ever had a situation where no rider won more than one heat? I will have to think about this one. In the 13 heat match era 7 different riders often won races in a meeting, but I do recall there being 9 heat winners in the Newcastle-Wolverhampton match in 1965 (Craven 2, Brett 4, Kelly, Guasco, Airey, Francis, Jarman, Andrews, Sweetman). In 1966 there were again 9 heat winners in the Cradley Heath-Wolverhampton Midland Cup match (Brown 3, Hughes, Featherby, Julian, Francis,2, Vandenberg 2, Maxted, Cowland, Jarman). Edited October 1, 2020 by BL65 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted October 1, 2020 Report Share Posted October 1, 2020 If you weren't such a fraud, chunky, I'd get my programmes out and have a look....oh, ok, I might do it anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted October 1, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2020 1 hour ago, norbold said: If you weren't such a fraud, chunky, I'd get my programmes out and have a look....oh, ok, I might do it anyway. Hey, it gives you something to do - rather than aggravating other BSF members! That's MY job, apparently... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BL65 Posted October 1, 2020 Report Share Posted October 1, 2020 Another 9 from 13 heats which I saw was in the Wolverhampton v Belle Vue meeting in 1968 (Airey, Bond 2, Vandenberg, Hemus 2, Jarman, Handley, Maidment, Roper 2, Sjosten 2). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted October 1, 2020 Report Share Posted October 1, 2020 1 hour ago, chunky said: Hey, it gives you something to do - rather than aggravating other BSF members! That's MY job, apparently... Why would you say that Chunky ???? why not just comment on the subject ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted October 1, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2020 14 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said: Why would you say that Chunky ???? why not just comment on the subject ? Because norbold called me a fraud... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBBATH Posted October 3, 2020 Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 I for one enjoy your posts Chunky. Not sure but I wonder if in the Wolves - Newport meeting in October 1965 which ended up 64-14 to Wolves (on my birthday no less)-whether all the Wolves had at least one race win-do any of you know the answer. Wasps forever!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted October 3, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 1 hour ago, BOBBATH said: I for one enjoy your posts Chunky. Not sure but I wonder if in the Wolves - Newport meeting in October 1965 which ended up 64-14 to Wolves (on my birthday no less)-whether all the Wolves had at least one race win-do any of you know the answer. Wasps forever!!! I haven't checked, but you should be able to check it yourself on Speedway Researcher. I think there have been multiple occasions where all seven on one team won a race (if I remember "Seery's Statistics" correctly). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveallan81 Posted October 3, 2020 Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 On 10/1/2020 at 2:55 PM, chunky said: That's why I love Speedway Researcher! Still, as we've seen previously, BL65 and Dave Allan seem to have this stuff in their heads! Actually I just have a lot of 'stuff' on my PC and happen to be a dab hand with a 'search' function Updating an Exeter 1984 file I've picked up a 9 from 13 - Monday 27th August 1984 Exeter v Poole (BL). All 7 home riders won at least one race (Mauger 3, Willmott 2, Campbell/Maxfield/Robinson/Andersen/Carr all 1) with guest Simmons (2) and Jakobsen (1) winning for Pirates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted October 3, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 1 minute ago, daveallan81 said: Actually I just have a lot of 'stuff' on my PC and happen to be a dab hand with a 'search' function Updating an Exeter 1984 file I've picked up a 9 from 13 - Monday 27th August 1984 Exeter v Poole (BL). All 7 home riders won at least one race (Mauger 3, Willmott 2, Campbell/Maxfield/Robinson/Andersen/Carr all 1) with guest Simmons (2) and Jakobsen (1) winning for Pirates. I wish I had the time to put everything on computer! Actually, I wish we'd had the technology back in the 70's and 80's... I knew there had been several cases of all seven team-members winning a race, but I am sure there must be one or two cases of 10 (maybe 11) different race winners from 13. Obviously, the main thing is to look at a good team, solid from 1 to 7, and riding away from home. My first thought was Poole in 1969, but no luck there... I don't have all the figures, but I wonder if a Cradley team from the early 80's would be a good place to look. I should be able to a little more of my own research now, as I have finally got all my Speedway Stars that were in storage 400 miles away... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBBATH Posted October 4, 2020 Report Share Posted October 4, 2020 Speedway Researcher-what a wonderful site and many thanks to the folks who run it. I took Chunky's advice and looked up Wolves v. Newport on 8 October 1965 (my birthday -no need to send a card!!!) what a birthday present to a Wasps fan!! Here's the deal- all of the Wolves scored a max. Andrews, Sweetman, Francis, Airey, Jarman and Maxted. Guasco only man out-but even Gord had a paid maximum-four seconds. BTW I know what has happened in later years to all the Wolves riders except Brian Maxted-anybody have any update on Brian BTW Wasps bounced back from that awful defeat by beating CH 35-43 a week or so later (only their second away win of that season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted October 4, 2020 Report Share Posted October 4, 2020 1 hour ago, BOBBATH said: Speedway Researcher-what a wonderful site and many thanks to the folks who run it. I took Chunky's advice and looked up Wolves v. Newport on 8 October 1965 (my birthday -no need to send a card!!!) what a birthday present to a Wasps fan!! Here's the deal- all of the Wolves scored a max. Andrews, Sweetman, Francis, Airey, Jarman and Maxted. Guasco only man out-but even Gord had a paid maximum-four seconds. BTW I know what has happened in later years to all the Wolves riders except Brian Maxted-anybody have any update on Brian BTW Wasps bounced back from that awful defeat by beating CH 35-43 a week or so later (only their second away win of that season They can't all have got maximums? Just checked - Airey got beat by Alby Golden in heat 2. when Cradley won 64-14 it was none other than Gundersen who missed out. Airey and Gundersen - what's the odds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted October 4, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2020 (edited) On 10/1/2020 at 11:05 AM, BL65 said: I will have to think about this one. In the 13 heat match era 7 different riders often won races in a meeting, but I do recall there being 9 heat winners in the Newcastle-Wolverhampton match in 1965 (Craven 2, Brett 4, Kelly, Guasco, Airey, Francis, Jarman, Andrews, Sweetman). In 1966 there were again 9 heat winners in the Cradley Heath-Wolverhampton Midland Cup match (Brown 3, Hughes, Featherby, Julian, Francis,2, Vandenberg 2, Maxted, Cowland, Jarman). Sheffield won at Coatbridge (40-38) on April 6, 1973, and there were 9 different race winners. Interesting thing is that the first 8 heats provided 8 different winners! Top scorers for losing Tigers were McMillan (9), and Beat on and Sjosten (8), while the winning Tigers had Haley, Wilson, and Wyer all scoring 8. EDIT : I have yet to find a 13-heat match with 10 different race winners - but I have found one with 11! On September 21, 1976, Weymouth hosted a double-header, with the second match being the second leg of a challenge against Stoke. Wizards won 41-37. Five of the Wizards won a race, as did six Potters. Mike Sampson won three (the only rider to win more than one), and only Geoff Swindells, Martin Yeates, and Malcolm Shakespeare failed to win a race. The others were Chris Robins, Tim Nunan, Steve McDermott, Mick Newton, Mal Corradine, Robert Maxfield, Billy Spiers, Jim Brett, Les Collins, and Brian Leonard. Edited October 5, 2020 by chunky 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBBATH Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 On 10/4/2020 at 4:20 PM, salty said: They can't all have got maximums? Just checked - Airey got beat by Alby Golden in heat 2. when Cradley won 64-14 it was none other than Gundersen who missed out. Airey and Gundersen - what's the odds? Well done Salty, thanks for correcting my mistake, I missed the obvious there. Cheers mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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