Unbalanced Team Performances

[chunky]

So now, I am interested in cases where most of the team DIDN'T pull their weight. I am not talking about a solo performance, but where two or three riders did the bulk of the scoring.

The one that always stood out for me was Swindon vs Eastbourne in 1980, where Gordon Kennett (21) and Kai Niemi (19) scored 40 points out of 46.

I just heard of a similar case where Gote Nordin and Jon Erskine scored 15 each for Newport, who only scored 33 at Wolves in 1965.

Are there any other REALLY top-heavy displays?

On a similar subject, I have two associated questions:

1) Have THREE members of a team ever scored a full 12-point maximum in the same match? Obviously, because of the format, I know it couldn't be the three regular heat-leader positions. And no, I am not including the standard 18-heat formula either.

2) Does anyone know the FEWEST number of individual heat winners in a match? Obviously, if there were three full maximums, then that would be four. Have there perhaps been two 18-point maximums in a 13-heat match? Or even an 18 and a 15?

In 1980, when Jiri Stancl and Ole Olsen recorded 15-point maximums on opposing sides (Reading vs Coventry), there were only four individual heat winners then. Bobby Schwartz (2) and Bernie Leigh were the others.

[BL65]

1 hour ago, chunky said:

1) Have THREE members of a team ever scored a full 12-point maximum in the same match? Obviously, because of the format, I know it couldn't be the three regular heat-leader positions. And no, I am not including the standard 18-heat formula either.

Glasgow v Long Eaton 28th May 1965, Willie Templeton 12, Bluey Scott 12, Charlie Monk 12 in a 60-18 win.

[chunky]

3 minutes ago, BL65 said:

Glasgow v Long Eaton 28th May 1965, Willie Templeton 12, Bluey Scott 12, Charlie Monk 12 in a 60-18 win.

Thanks; I knew you'd have an answer!

I think you need to publish a book with all these quirky stats!

[BL65]

2 hours ago, chunky said:

So now, I am interested in cases where most of the team DIDN'T pull their weight. I am not talking about a solo performance, but where two or three riders did the bulk of the scoring.

Two riders:
13/16 – Cradley Heath at Halifax 1965, McAuliffe 8, Julian 5 (16-62)

Three riders:
31/32 - Exeter at Wimbledon 1965, Gooddy 13, Squibb 10, Cowland 8 (32-46)
31/32 – Belle Vue at Glasgow 1965, Fisher 13, Maidment 12, McGregor 6 (32-46)
28/30 – Swindon at Exeter 1965, Briggs 15, Broadbank 8, Ashby 5 (30-48)
32/35 – Swindon at Newcastle 1965, Briggs 14, Ashby 9, Broadbank 9 (35-43)
35/39 - Swindon at Halifax 1965, Briggs 15, Broadbank 12, Ashby 8  (39-39)
35/39 - Wimbledon at Halifax 1965, Luckhurst 13, Nygren 11, Hedge 11 (39-39)

[BL65]

52 minutes ago, chunky said:

Thanks; I knew you'd have an answer!

I think you need to publish a book with all these quirky stats!

Ha ha, I don't think I've got time for that.

[chunky]

7 minutes ago, BL65 said:

Two riders:
13/16 – Cradley Heath at Halifax 1965, McAuliffe 8, Julian 5 (16-62)

Three riders:
31/32 - Exeter at Wimbledon 1965, Gooddy 13, Squibb 10, Cowland 8 (32-46)
31/32 – Belle Vue at Glasgow 1965, Fisher 13, Maidment 12, McGregor 6 (32-46)
28/30 – Swindon at Exeter 1965, Briggs 15, Broadbank 8, Ashby 5 (30-48)
32/35 – Swindon at Newcastle 1965, Briggs 14, Ashby 9, Broadbank 9 (35-43)
35/39 - Swindon at Halifax 1965, Briggs 15, Broadbank 12, Ashby 8  (39-39)
35/39 - Wimbledon at Halifax 1965, Luckhurst 13, Nygren 11, Hedge 11 (39-39)

Obviously, the lower the team score, the easier it is for that to happen. It's those draws that impress me!

Edited September 16, 2020 by chunky

[Ovalman]

36 minutes ago, BL65 said:

Two riders:
13/16 – Cradley Heath at Halifax 1965, McAuliffe 8, Julian 5 (16-62)

Three riders:
31/32 - Exeter at Wimbledon 1965, Gooddy 13, Squibb 10, Cowland 8 (32-46)
31/32 – Belle Vue at Glasgow 1965, Fisher 13, Maidment 12, McGregor 6 (32-46)
28/30 – Swindon at Exeter 1965, Briggs 15, Broadbank 8, Ashby 5 (30-48)
32/35 – Swindon at Newcastle 1965, Briggs 14, Ashby 9, Broadbank 9 (35-43)
35/39 - Swindon at Halifax 1965, Briggs 15, Broadbank 12, Ashby 8  (39-39)
35/39 - Wimbledon at Halifax 1965, Luckhurst 13, Nygren 11, Hedge 11 (39-39)

Blimey what were rest of scorers in the 3 Swindon matches. Started following them in 1968 when Briggo, Kilby, and Broady were heat leaders.

[JoeW]

22 May 1948 - Edinburgh 29 Newcastle 55 - Wilf Jay, Alec Grant and Charlie Spinks all scored 12 point maximums.

[norbold]

The first match I ever saw resulted in the score New Cross 48 Norwich 42. Ove Fundin scored 18 and Aub Lawson 16 for Norwich, so 34 out of theIr 42 points. Of the other 8, Reg Trott scored 4 and Derek Strutt 3.

[BL65]

1 hour ago, auntie doris said:

Blimey what were rest of scorers in the 3 Swindon matches. Started following them in 1968 when Briggo, Kilby, and Broady were heat leaders.

Exeter: Sampson 1, Shuter 1, Kilby 0, Keen 0
Newcastle: Kilby 2, Sampson 1, Jackson 0 Shuter 0
Halifax: Bowers 2, Keen 1, Sampson 1, Kilby 0

[Chadster]

Sheffield had Charlie Monk, John Dews and Brian Maxted score full maximums in a 54-24 win over Belle Vue in 1968.

Has any individual done better than Nigel Boocock scoring 16 out of 24 at Wimbledon the same season?. There was certainly one more occasion when he scored over half his teams points that season.

[RS50]

4 hours ago, chunky said:

 

2) Does anyone know the FEWEST number of individual heat winners in a match? Obviously, if there were three full maximums, then that would be four. Have there perhaps been two 18-point maximums in a 13-heat match? Or even an 18 and a 15?

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Not sure what the lowest number possible is, but in the Scunthorpe Newport match in 2006 only 5 different riders won a race. 

[steve roberts]

Gordon Kennett scored a 21 point maximum and Kai Niemi 19 riding for Eastbourne  (both from seven rides) at Swindon in 1980 but the "Eagles" still lost 46-62!

[steve roberts]

4 hours ago, chunky said:

So now, I am interested in cases where most of the team DIDN'T pull their weight. I am not talking about a solo performance, but where two or three riders did the bulk of the scoring.

The one that always stood out for me was Swindon vs Eastbourne in 1980, where Gordon Kennett (21) and Kai Niemi (19) scored 40 points out of 46.

I just heard of a similar case where Gote Nordin and Jon Erskine scored 15 each for Newport, who only scored 33 at Wolves in 1965.

Are there any other REALLY top-heavy displays?

On a similar subject, I have two associated questions:

1) Have THREE members of a team ever scored a full 12-point maximum in the same match? Obviously, because of the format, I know it couldn't be the three regular heat-leader positions. And no, I am not including the standard 18-heat formula either.

2) Does anyone know the FEWEST number of individual heat winners in a match? Obviously, if there were three full maximums, then that would be four. Have there perhaps been two 18-point maximums in a 13-heat match? Or even an 18 and a 15?

In 1980, when Jiri Stancl and Ole Olsen recorded 15-point maximums on opposing sides (Reading vs Coventry), there were only four individual heat winners then. Bobby Schwartz (2) and Bernie Leigh were the others.

I was there!

[chunky]

16 minutes ago, steve roberts said:

Gordon Kennett scored a 21 point maximum and Kai Niemi 19 riding for Eastbourne  (both from seven rides) at Swindon in 1980 but the "Eagles" still lost 46-62!

I did mention that in the initial post, Steve!

Edited September 16, 2020 by chunky

[steve roberts]

3 minutes ago, chunky said:

I did mention that in the initial post, Steve!

Sorry mate...just got in from another fishing trip and feeling flustered!

I was at that match also!

Edited September 16, 2020 by steve roberts

[Ovalman]

1 hour ago, BL65 said:

Exeter: Sampson 1, Shuter 1, Kilby 0, Keen 0
Newcastle: Kilby 2, Sampson 1, Jackson 0 Shuter 0
Halifax: Bowers 2, Keen 1, Sampson 1, Kilby 0

Cheers..local lads Kilbs and Keener would become prolific scorers and loyal long serving clubmen.

Edited September 16, 2020 by auntie doris

[chunky]

1 hour ago, RS50 said:

Not sure what the lowest number possible is, but in the Scunthorpe Newport match in 2006 only 5 different riders won a race. 

Over the years, I would think that three would be the normal (though unlikely) minimum for a 13-heat match (without any crazy situations). The only other possibility is if you had a 21-point maximum and an 18-point maximum in the same match, and i really how feasible that is (if at all).

Of course, I'm sure that our good friend BL65 would have said something!

[chunky]

1 hour ago, JoeW said:

22 May 1948 - Edinburgh 29 Newcastle 55 - Wilf Jay, Alec Grant and Charlie Spinks all scored 12 point maximums.

So that was a 14-heater, I take it? Of course, 14-16 heat matches give a few more options, but that is still great! More importantly, that is probably the only time that an away team has achieved that!

Edited September 16, 2020 by chunky

[BL65]

In September 1966 Rick France, Col Cottrell and Jim Lightfoot scored 12 point maximums for Coventry against a Swindon team missing Barry Briggs.  Nigel Boocock scored 8 and 4 bonus, finishing behind Cottrell three times and Lightfoot.  They almost repeated the feat the following week in the Midland Cup against Wolverhampton, the only difference being that France fell in one race and only scored 9.

The same team then went to Long Eaton and won 46-32, with France 15, Lightfoot 14 and Boocock 11 totalling 40. 

Edited September 16, 2020 by BL65