PolskiZuzel Posted September 18, 2020 Report Share Posted September 18, 2020 13 minutes ago, Fromafar said: ....Unless they touch the tapes they should let it go. I totally agree with you...the starting procedures and the referee interpretations are just a joke...killing my enjoyment of speedway. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted September 18, 2020 Report Share Posted September 18, 2020 All premier football players have played at Anfield. The thousands on the Kop have nothing to do with helping Liverpool win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted September 18, 2020 Report Share Posted September 18, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: Nothing to do with it. Home advantage is strong and with thousands of Polish fans it gives Polish riders an advantage. It’s the same in all sports. Your right, thousands of Polish fans givesPolish riders an advantage,if that is the case you could have all GP’s in GB and still have the same scenario with Polish fans. Edited September 18, 2020 by Fromafar 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ytsejam Posted September 18, 2020 Report Share Posted September 18, 2020 What another complete and utter load of rubbish Czech GP (as per virtually EVERY year) and also another example of the utterly disgraceful and farcical scoring system!, How can someone who doesn't win a race ALL NIGHT end up with 18 points?!!! Making an utter mockery of a once great and professional sport!! 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparks123 Posted September 18, 2020 Report Share Posted September 18, 2020 59 minutes ago, PHILIPRISING said: YET again Emil chooses the wrong gate. Lost out in so many semis over the years because he got it wrong. Chances of beating Zmarzlik (off one) from two was remote. Better to have a run round the outside especially, as Kelvin said, no track grading. Seems to happen a lot. Won last GP semi off 2 and chose 1 in the final and then wins semi off 3 and picks 2 this time. Think the only final he has won since returning is the only final he has had no gate choice in. Still with Madsen getting away with his flier, it gave Tai a semi final place as Dudek and Michelsen (if you promoted them 1 position) would have had 8 points with a race win and 2 race wins which would have put Tai out (even with a different order as Magic was also in the heat). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted September 18, 2020 Report Share Posted September 18, 2020 9 minutes ago, ytsejam said: How can someone who doesn't win a race ALL NIGHT end up with 18 points?!!! Under this system, it's theoretically possible to become world champion without winning a race. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ytsejam Posted September 18, 2020 Report Share Posted September 18, 2020 16 minutes ago, False dawn said: Under this system, it's theoretically possible to become world champion without winning a race. That’s exactly what I’m getting at....it’s a complete embarrassment of a system and totally tinpot and amateurish, not to mention, unfair!!! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler42 Posted September 18, 2020 Report Share Posted September 18, 2020 1 hour ago, r8gdp said: Overall the worst gp this year still smarzlik s to lose he s had the rub tonight not had to break sweat to win I would say Tai had more of the rub. 8pts going into the semi. comes out with 18pts. Now that ain't a bad nights work.10 pts for two races! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted September 18, 2020 Report Share Posted September 18, 2020 1 hour ago, bigcatdiary said: What a truly shocking GP., the racing was almost non existent with most races boring strung out follow the leader crap. This venue has for years has produced utterly crap racing and it’s clear the people preparing it haven’t got a clue. The answer to riders trying to anticipate starts, which to be fair affected most of the field tonight is to exclude anyone moving before the tapes are released, I dare say a few early exclusions would solve the problem as riders would (hopefully) learn very quickly. It would be harsh as Tatum states but I do think it would solve this annoying problem. Are they not excluding anyone moving 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted September 18, 2020 Report Share Posted September 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, tyler42 said: I would say Tai had more of the rub. 8pts going into the semi. comes out with 18pts. Now that ain't a bad nights work.10 pts for two races! And didn't even have to beat anyone in one of those races. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r8gdp Posted September 18, 2020 Report Share Posted September 18, 2020 8 minutes ago, tyler42 said: I would say Tai had more of the rub. 8pts going into the semi. comes out with 18pts. Now that ain't a bad nights work.10 pts for two races! The difference for me is that zmarzlik is more hungry for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted September 18, 2020 Report Share Posted September 18, 2020 36 minutes ago, ytsejam said: That’s exactly what I’m getting at....it’s a complete embarrassment of a system and totally tinpot and amateurish, not to mention, unfair!!! It was no different with the old World Final system. Did you complain about that? It was theoretically possibly for a rider to not only become World Champion, but to win every GP, and not even make Top 8 and qualify for this year. Did you complain about that? And before you question me, yes, I have previously PROVEN that on here... However, just because something is possible, we all know it will never happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted September 18, 2020 Report Share Posted September 18, 2020 10 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Are they not excluding anyone moving Not Madsen, obviously. Not EVERY time, anyway! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted September 18, 2020 Report Share Posted September 18, 2020 7 minutes ago, chunky said: Not Madsen, obviously. Not EVERY time, anyway! Think he was making up for Madsen’s previous exclusion,it was very marginal,needed his slow -mo to confirm it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted September 18, 2020 Report Share Posted September 18, 2020 14 minutes ago, chunky said: Not Madsen, obviously. Not EVERY time, anyway! He got done in the semi, though. You could argue that he didn't deserve to be there but I'm not convinced by the exclusion in the semi. He clearly anticipated the start but the slo-mo seemed to prove he didn't move until the tapes had been released...and by the rules (from my understanding) that is a legal start...You just have to be stationary until the tapes are released Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ytsejam Posted September 18, 2020 Report Share Posted September 18, 2020 14 minutes ago, chunky said: It was no different with the old World Final system. Did you complain about that? It was theoretically possibly for a rider to not only become World Champion, but to win every GP, and not even make Top 8 and qualify for this year. Did you complain about that? And before you question me, yes, I have previously PROVEN that on here... However, just because something is possible, we all know it will never happen. Oh look, a hero alert!!!....Did I say that it was a perfect system in the past?.....but it was certainly a lot fairer and more professional than one where someone can win 6 races (18 points) on the night and end up going home with 14 whilst someone can score 12 points and go home with 18 or even 20!!! Don’t see how even a super fan like you can possibly argue that that is fair or a better system than has been used for many years prior to this one!!!! Come on then PROVE that!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted September 18, 2020 Report Share Posted September 18, 2020 10 minutes ago, HenryW said: He got done in the semi, though. You could argue that he didn't deserve to be there but I'm not convinced by the exclusion in the semi. He clearly anticipated the start but the slo-mo seemed to prove he didn't move until the tapes had been released...and by the rules (from my understanding) that is a legal start...You just have to be stationary until the tapes are released It was interesting the week before in Gorzow when Bartosz got 2 absolute flyers in the heats and they were considered perfect starts, It just no consistency in the decisions IMO.Better to just let them go if they don’t touch the tapes,we have the scenario when the rider has punished himself by moving, but that seems to Ok in the refs eyes and lets the race go, but IMO that could be off putting to the other riders who think the race should be called back.!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scipio777 Posted September 18, 2020 Report Share Posted September 18, 2020 i think we are all missing the point. zero racing. worst meetingI have seen this year, no question. awful 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler42 Posted September 18, 2020 Report Share Posted September 18, 2020 10 minutes ago, Fromafar said: It was interesting the week before in Gorzow when Bartosz got 2 absolute flyers in the heats and they were considered perfect starts, It just no consistency in the decisions IMO.Better to just let them go if they don’t touch the tapes,we have the scenario when the rider has punished himself by moving, but that seems to Ok in the refs eyes and lets the race go, but IMO that could be off putting to the other riders who think the race should be called back.!! But the ref called back one of those starts and after watching the reply, Realised he had made a mistake. Whereas tonight Madsen jumped before the tapes went up and many times did he do that tonight? four out of six rides was it not! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted September 18, 2020 Report Share Posted September 18, 2020 28 minutes ago, ytsejam said: Oh look, a hero alert!!!....Did I say that it was a perfect system in the past?.....but it was certainly a lot fairer and more professional than one where someone can win 6 races (18 points) on the night and end up going home with 14 whilst someone can score 12 points and go home with 18 or even 20!!! Don’t see how even a super fan like you can possibly argue that that is fair or a better system than has been used for many years prior to this one!!!! Come on then PROVE that!!! Have you ever thought of reading - and comprehending - what was written, instead making nonsensical claims? I never said this was fairer, and I never said this was better, so don't put words in my mouth. I have stated on here (on multiple occasions) that I much preferred the system used in previous years. As I said though, it was possible to win every GP, and not finish in the Top 8. I will be back in a little while with all the figures for you. In the meantime, you said that a rider could win the World Championship this year without winning a race the whole season. We all know that it was POSSIBLE to do that with the old world final system. You didn't have to win a race to get through the qualifying rounds. In the final itself, there were 120 points at stake, which gives an average per rider of 7.5 points. Therefore, anything ABOVE the average could win. Keeping it simple, a rider could finish with 10 points (five second places), which means that the average for the other 15 is 7.33. So, not only could the winner not need to win a race, he could win with points to spare. So, why is this year so bad when it was possible before? As I said, I will be back in a little while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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