Grand Central Posted September 19, 2020 Report Share Posted September 19, 2020 1 hour ago, False dawn said: And all this discussion about who got what championship points, way after the end of the meeting as per last night, I find slightly amusing. Wouldn't it be easier to just award points according to where you finish in a race? 3 for first, 2 for second and 1 for third might work. That seems quite revolutionary. Has it ever been tried ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted September 19, 2020 Report Share Posted September 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Hacksaw Jim Duggan said: Where Did i say he cheats your “enjoy the spectacle comment” is redundant to me I don’t think like you, you accept things blindly . I find that way of life dull and that of someone not wanting to learn and challenge that’s not me. I see Matthew is making friends again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OGT Posted September 19, 2020 Report Share Posted September 19, 2020 3 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said: Check his engines. Seems to me to be more than 500cc. It's all about set up, too much power, too much spin, gets you nowhere. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OGT Posted September 19, 2020 Report Share Posted September 19, 2020 1 hour ago, PHILIPRISING said: AND as long as that is legitimate it will always happen. What happens on the track is only a part of any motorsport and that includes speedway. But, as has already been pointed out, the secret is getting both the machine (bike or car) in perfect harmony with the driver or rider. Hamilton and Bottas both drive Mercedes cars but they are very different and what works for one wouldn't work for the other. Otherwise they would be identical. There are a myriad of other factors involved in F1 so it's a poor comparison to speedway. Try something like the Easy Kart karting series, same controlled engines, same tyres, same gearing even, just down to driver ability and set up. Some riders are better than others, some riders or their team can set up the bike better than others. Simple as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted September 20, 2020 Report Share Posted September 20, 2020 5 hours ago, Mr. Clemens said: It would give new riders the opportunity to shine and up their game GP challenge for that or Euros Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinmauger Posted September 20, 2020 Report Share Posted September 20, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, False dawn said: Absolutely. I can remeber but a few riders in the past 50 years that are so exciting to watch. Particularly his all action style. I'm sure I can think of a few but Bobby Ott springs to mind. I'm told when Bobby signed for Hull in early 1996, he obtained 2 new standard JAWAs and simply got on with it, with mostly just himself wielding the spanners. His '96 season ended early due to injury, his bikes were sold and the riders in question (names redacted) were nowhere near as spectacular as was 'Showtime', but ,wow, was he geat to watch..... Edited September 20, 2020 by martinmauger spelling due to use of clever words 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler42 Posted September 20, 2020 Report Share Posted September 20, 2020 2 hours ago, martinmauger said: with mostly just himself wielding the spanners. He was the same at Wimbledon. He done his own spanners. His wife was very vocal when Bobby was in the race lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted September 20, 2020 Report Share Posted September 20, 2020 6 hours ago, martinmauger said: I'm told when Bobby signed for Hull in early 1996, he obtained 2 new standard JAWAs and simply got on with it, with mostly just himsel f wielding the spanners. His '96 season ended early due to injury, his bikes were sold and the riders in question (names redacted) were nowhere near as spectacular as was 'Showtime', but ,wow, was he geat to watch..... One of my favourite ever riders.. Used to use a uni cycle to practice balancing... Several times I saw him slide off' and then picked the bike up all in one movement and carried on.. I remember him doing it at Kirky Lane and getting excluded because (I think) Ronnie Correy laid his bike down to avoid him.. His face must have been a picture, laying a bike down to avoid another rider and that rider clearing off into the distance.. And Wolves '93 for me gave me one of the best nights ever of my life.. I can still see Peter Karlsson and Henka Gustafsson talking tactics at the gate of the Championship last heat decider when Bobby rode in between them and said something along the lines of "Hi Guys, isn't this great?".. And then went off and won the race handing the Aces the title.. An Aces legend for ever more... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Jones Posted September 20, 2020 Report Share Posted September 20, 2020 29 minutes ago, mikebv said: One of my favourite ever riders.. Used to use a uni cycle to practice balancing... Several times I saw him slide off' and then picked the bike up all in one movement and carried on.. I remember him doing it at Kirky Lane and getting excluded because (I think) Ronnie Correy laid his bike down to avoid him.. His face must have been a picture, laying a bike down to avoid another rider and that rider clearing off into the distance.. And Wolves '93 for me gave me one of the best nights ever of my life.. I can still see Peter Karlsson and Henka Gustafsson talking tactics at the gate of the Championship last heat decider when Bobby rode in between them and said something along the lines of "Hi Guys, isn't this great?".. And then went off and won the race handing the Aces the title.. An Aces legend for ever more... That was a tremendous night at Monmore Green. Do you recall Karlsson's last bend manoeuvre which got him an exclusion from the race? An odd move from him considering the meeting was lost with Ott winning .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toto Posted September 20, 2020 Report Share Posted September 20, 2020 12 hours ago, PHILIPRISING said: WHY cannot you accept that he is the best rider. Of course bikes are checked.Do you seriously think any rider would cheat? Yes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted September 20, 2020 Report Share Posted September 20, 2020 Saturday nights GP was much better than Friday’s with an excellent final, Zmarzlik has made himself firm favourite now and few can argue with that. He is just a very talented speedway rider that’s at the top of his form at present. Three GP wins out of 6 rounds says it all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted September 20, 2020 Report Share Posted September 20, 2020 12 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said: Zmarzlik just has the fastest bikes. I hope the FIM check the cc of them. The speed generated when Woffinden is on the faster line seems ridiculous. Do you still think he’s boring after last night? He has to be by far the most exciting rider to watch in the Grand Prixs currently 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted September 20, 2020 Report Share Posted September 20, 2020 (edited) I wasn't totally convinced by Zmarlik... until last night, he's a different class at the moment, the move he pulled on Woffy in the final, for me, is up there with the memorable moments of the GP's Tricks "wall of death" at Cardiff and Gollobs las bend swoop on Jimmy Nilsen at Bigdosh. He's head an shoulders above anybody else in this years series 17 race points clear of the next best (Woffy) On another point... did anybody notice Pat Dudeks helmet last night? WTF was going on with the front of it? 2:04:21 Edited September 20, 2020 by iainb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted September 20, 2020 Report Share Posted September 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Dave Jones said: That was a tremendous night at Monmore Green. Do you recall Karlsson's last bend manoeuvre which got him an exclusion from the race? An odd move from him considering the meeting was lost with Ott winning .. I remember it, pretty sure he wasn't excluded though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted September 20, 2020 Report Share Posted September 20, 2020 I have been a very big fan of Emil from the first time I saw him, but his inconsistency really frustrates me. He should have been world champion years ago but I don’t see him making it now. He can be brilliant and all at sea in the space of two heats, winning his toughest races and trailing in last in the ones he should easily win. He is a proven winner and I am always willing him on, but he is difficult to understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted September 20, 2020 Report Share Posted September 20, 2020 22 minutes ago, iainb said: I wasn't totally convinced by Zmarlik... until last night, he's a different class at the moment, the move he pulled on Woffy in the final, for me, is up there with the memorable moments of the GP's Tricks "wall of death" at Cardiff and Gollobs las bend swoop on Jimmy Nilsen at Bigdosh. He's head an shoulders above anybody else in this years series 17 race points clear of the next best (Woffy) On another point... did anybody notice Pat Dudeks helmet last night? WTF was going on with the front of it? SEVEN points ahead not 17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Jones Posted September 20, 2020 Report Share Posted September 20, 2020 6 minutes ago, BWitcher said: I remember it, pretty sure he wasn't excluded though? You could well be right, it was a long time ago. I had it in my mind that PK dumped Screen? into the fence on the last bend and got an exclusion for his trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted September 20, 2020 Report Share Posted September 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Dave Jones said: You could well be right, it was a long time ago. I had it in my mind that PK dumped Screen? into the fence on the last bend and got an exclusion for his trouble. It was Jason Lyons. Pretty sure didn't go into the fence either, PK just blocked him (aggressively) off so Henka came through. Definitely not excluded as race ended a 3-3 and score 54-53. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted September 20, 2020 Report Share Posted September 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, Dave Jones said: You could well be right, it was a long time ago. I had it in my mind that PK dumped Screen? into the fence on the last bend and got an exclusion for his trouble. It was Jason Lyons and he didn't get excluded. . Presume a 'tad' pissed off.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Jones Posted September 20, 2020 Report Share Posted September 20, 2020 1 minute ago, BWitcher said: It was Jason Lyons. Pretty sure didn't go into the fence either, PK just blocked him (aggressively) off so Henka came through. Definitely not excluded as race ended a 3-3 and score 54-53. O K , I am getting old & the memory isn't what it once was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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