chunky Posted September 12, 2020 Report Share Posted September 12, 2020 On 9/12/2020 at 3:01 PM, nw42 said: Thanks but I already realise that, I was only saying, in agreement with Tyler, that you appeared to be saying that "a couple of decent rides" on final night could secure the title. If that is what you're saying then you're wrong, as Tyler showed, the championship was invariably won with plenty of points, 4 good rides at least, not a couple. Expand I am not "wrong", and I am taking Szczakiel's win as a prime example. He wasn't the best rider on show. He didn't have to work hard to qualify for the final. He had a couple of second places, and a win - which wouldn't have been totally unexpected. Throw in a couple of other wins (GOOD rides) - against quality opposition - that wouldn't have been expected, and there he has 13 points. Forget the run-off (it was handed to him), and two GOOD rides clinched him the World Championship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nw42 Posted September 12, 2020 Report Share Posted September 12, 2020 On 9/12/2020 at 3:19 PM, chunky said: I am not "wrong", and I am taking Szczakiel's win as a prime example. He wasn't the best rider on show. He didn't have to work hard to qualify for the final. He had a couple of second places, and a win - which wouldn't have been totally unexpected. Throw in a couple of other wins (GOOD rides) - against quality opposition - that wouldn't have been expected, and there he has 13 points. Forget the run-off (it was handed to him), and two GOOD rides clinched him the World Championship. Expand Ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted September 12, 2020 Report Share Posted September 12, 2020 (edited) On 9/11/2020 at 9:31 PM, KeirStarmerFan said: Why doesn't Emil ride in the SGPs like he does for Leszno in the league? Very disappointing again! He is top of the Polish league averages yet he's ridden like a novice in the first three rounds. Expand He’s just not good enough. Like Leigh Adams. Good team rider but average on the world stage. Edited September 12, 2020 by Steve Shovlar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nw42 Posted September 12, 2020 Report Share Posted September 12, 2020 On 9/12/2020 at 4:06 PM, Steve Shovlar said: He’s just not good enough. Like Leigh Adams. Good team rider but average on the world stage. what BT Channel is this on/ can’t see it on my programer. Expand 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted September 12, 2020 Report Share Posted September 12, 2020 It just updated but thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted September 12, 2020 Report Share Posted September 12, 2020 On 9/12/2020 at 4:06 PM, Steve Shovlar said: He’s just not good enough. Like Leigh Adams. Good team rider but average on the world stage. Expand He's going to prove you wrong tonight; Emil's going to surprise quite a few. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno Posted September 12, 2020 Report Share Posted September 12, 2020 Zmarzlik two inside gates again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchGrasstrack Posted September 12, 2020 Report Share Posted September 12, 2020 Live updates from todays 4th GP round in Gorzow: https://live.baansportfansite.nl/event/427/speedway-grand-prix-ronde-4-gorzow.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BartoszZmarzlikFan Posted September 12, 2020 Report Share Posted September 12, 2020 On 9/12/2020 at 4:31 PM, bruno said: Zmarzlik two inside gates again Expand Don't think it matters what gate he's on around Gorzow 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler42 Posted September 12, 2020 Report Share Posted September 12, 2020 On 9/12/2020 at 3:12 PM, chunky said: See, you only read what you want to; I have NEVER said it's not flawed. In fact, not only did I state that "most of us" didn't like it, I have also stated elsewhere that I personally am not a fan. However, it is the same system as used in a lot of other sports with the 20 heats now being used as simple qualifiers. The only difference is that speedway does it all in one night. I used the World Cup as an example. Germany could qualify for the World Cup finals with a 100% record in their group. England could lose a few games, and then beat someone in a play-off to join them. None of that matters now - England and Germany are both in the finals, and start with the same number of points (zero). Then we have the group matches at the Finals. Same thing; Germany win their group with 100% record, England drop points, but join Germany in the knockout rounds. Again, both start with the same number of points (zero). Exactly the same. The trouble is that with speedway, we love to look back on the way it used to be. Personally, I thought the system we had last year was fine (of course, the GP winner could still earn fewer points than the guys who didn't win - which is a flaw). Expand As you say last years scoring system was fine as, every point counted towards your score. Can't get anything simpler. Speedway though always shoots's its self in the foot. The joker to name but one! Still thats what the rules are this year. Next year they will no doubt change it again!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BartoszZmarzlikFan Posted September 12, 2020 Report Share Posted September 12, 2020 Evening all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatface Posted September 12, 2020 Report Share Posted September 12, 2020 On 9/11/2020 at 9:31 PM, KeirStarmerFan said: Why doesn't Emil ride in the SGPs like he does for Leszno in the league? Very disappointing again! He is top of the Polish league averages yet he's ridden like a novice in the first three rounds. Expand It looks every inch that he is heading straight for the "best riders never to be World Champion" lists. Missed what should have been peak years in the GPs and Zmarzlik and Woffinden have got ahead of him and they will likely both be in the mix for the remainder of Sayfutdinov's GP career too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted September 12, 2020 Report Share Posted September 12, 2020 (edited) On 9/12/2020 at 5:03 PM, tyler42 said: As you say last years scoring system was fine as, every point counted towards your score. Can't get anything simpler. Speedway though always shoots's its self in the foot. The joker to name but one! Still thats what the rules are this year. Next year they will no doubt change it again!!! Expand The problem these days - and we know that it applies to everything, not just speedway - is that we have to "rebrand" everything. New titles, abbreviations, descriptions, rules, colours etc, just to make things appear "cool"... Edited September 12, 2020 by chunky 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted September 12, 2020 Report Share Posted September 12, 2020 A rare warning for Doyley there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff100 Posted September 12, 2020 Report Share Posted September 12, 2020 Good banter about the fuel and false starts from the shouty boys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted September 12, 2020 Report Share Posted September 12, 2020 On 9/12/2020 at 5:38 PM, geoff100 said: Good banter about the fuel and false starts from the shouty boys Expand I'd often wondered they always come out to refuel after a false start? Absolutely no need for it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
full-throttle Posted September 12, 2020 Report Share Posted September 12, 2020 (edited) On 9/12/2020 at 5:38 PM, geoff100 said: Good banter about the fuel and false starts from the shouty boys Expand maybe I'm wrong, but I don't recall Kelvin rushing back to the tapes when the races were stopped due to false starts. Unless there is a fall, then the pit gate should stay closed and the riders should return to the start without delay, but it's become too common now and would take some changing IMO Edited September 12, 2020 by full-throttle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff100 Posted September 12, 2020 Report Share Posted September 12, 2020 On 9/12/2020 at 5:44 PM, chunky said: I'd often wondered they always come out to refuel after a false start? Absolutely no need for it. Expand Like they said straight back to tapes no need to put fuel in and adjust the back wheel , could a rider change bikes in that situation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted September 12, 2020 Report Share Posted September 12, 2020 On 9/12/2020 at 5:49 PM, full-throttle said: maybe I'm wrong, but I don't recall Kelvin rushing back to the tapes when the races were stopped due to false starts. Expand That's exactly what Kelvin just said. On 9/12/2020 at 5:49 PM, full-throttle said: Unless there is a fall, then the pit gate should stay closed and the riders should return to the start without delay, but it's become too common now and would take some changing IMO Expand Of course it wouldn't. You just introduce the rules, and the riders would have to obey... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff100 Posted September 12, 2020 Report Share Posted September 12, 2020 Close racing but a bit follow the leader Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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