r8gdp Posted September 12, 2020 Report Share Posted September 12, 2020 3 hours ago, mikebv said: Woffy misses gate.. Woffy rides around the inside and picks off points to minimise the impact.. Rinse and repeat... Woffy makes a gate and wins easily.. Rinse and repeat.. He seems to have lost his ability (desire?) over the past two years or so to pass anyone on the outside... Won't win the title riding like this, which will be unfortunate given he isn't too far away in 'real terms'.. Seem to have lost that extra hunger you need to be at the very top.. Totally agree he rides too safe not aggressive enough look at lindgren he s putting it about and it's getting results . Woffy s fine when he gates and gets a clear run like Hancock use to do BUT Hancock could get on a more consistent level Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted September 12, 2020 Report Share Posted September 12, 2020 In fairness to Doyle the adrenalin must have been pumping directly after the race and on the podium, it seems they have made up now so all is good. I don’t think Madsen meant to hit into the side of Doyle, he picked up a little extra grip during the move and that was that. As a Doyle says he’d have done the same thing had they been the other way round. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted September 12, 2020 Report Share Posted September 12, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, chunky said: I go to watch the racing... You're in the minority.. Massively so.. in all sports. Not that there is anything wrong with that at all! Edited September 12, 2020 by BWitcher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted September 12, 2020 Report Share Posted September 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, BWitcher said: You're in the minority.. Massively so.. in all sports. That's it! Bring bloody minorities into it! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted September 12, 2020 Report Share Posted September 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, chunky said: That's it! Bring bloody minorities into it! I'll take a knee for you. All is well then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted September 12, 2020 Report Share Posted September 12, 2020 56 minutes ago, customhouseregular said: Thank you. Plus..my eyesight is not good under artificial light and I only have an iPhone 5. Watching speedway is difficult. That's why I am so much happier being able to stream my phone on my telly now! Old age isn't all it's cracked up to be, and strangely enough, I picked up my first ever pair of bifocals today... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted September 12, 2020 Report Share Posted September 12, 2020 Just now, BWitcher said: I'll take a knee for you. All is well then. The reason I don't take a knee is that I wouldn't be able to get up again. Anyway, my name is Brown, not Black... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrow Boy 2 Posted September 13, 2020 Report Share Posted September 13, 2020 Is this the first time that the top 3 all ride for the same team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted September 13, 2020 Report Share Posted September 13, 2020 23 hours ago, Ben91 said: It also places more emphasis on winning the meeting, which there should be. I disagree, Lindgren is now 14 points and 2 places in the rankings better off than he would have been under the old system and has only won 1 GP. It places more emphasis on just making the final, if you wanted to place the emphasis on the win they should award 25 or 30 pts for a win. 13 hours ago, mikebv said: The final showed what the ruthless lads will do to win... Tai wouldn't get involved in that anymore... And that isn't a criticism... He has done more than his bit, and earned more than enough money I hope.. Top six standing on his head, but the top step now past him for me.. Perhaps breaking his neck last year has had an effect on him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted September 13, 2020 Report Share Posted September 13, 2020 52 minutes ago, iainb said: I disagree, Lindgren is now 14 points and 2 places in the rankings better off than he would have been under the old system and has only won 1 GP. It places more emphasis on just making the final, if you wanted to place the emphasis on the win they should award 25 or 30 pts for a win. I see what you’re saying, my point was more aimed at the fact that the winner of the meeting now gets the most points, on a meeting by meeting basis. Which isn’t a bad thing in my eyes. Of course we’ve had four rounds and four different winners. Out of those winners Freddie has been the most consistent in getting to the final in the other meetings so is rightly top of the pile right now. Without doing the sums I’d assume under the old system that Zmarzlik would be well clear now? If that was the case I’d dare say the series would be a foregone conclusion already. As it is, we could have a completely different complexion this time next week. As a neutral fan that is exciting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrow Boy 2 Posted September 13, 2020 Report Share Posted September 13, 2020 Exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r8gdp Posted September 13, 2020 Report Share Posted September 13, 2020 1 hour ago, iainb said: I disagree, Lindgren is now 14 points and 2 places in the rankings better off than he would have been under the old system and has only won 1 GP. It places more emphasis on just making the final, if you wanted to place the emphasis on the win they should award 25 or 30 pts for a win. Perhaps breaking his neck last year has had an effect on him? i think it's could be a combination of that and the fact that he's got a couple of young kiddies now ,your out look on things change .i don t think he's got the hunger anymore to mix it aggressively. But the guys won 3 world titles broke most things in his body so hats off to him .just wish he could gate consistently like Hancock because once he's in front it takes a bloody good rider to pass him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted September 13, 2020 Report Share Posted September 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, r8gdp said: i think it's could be a combination of that and the fact that he's got a couple of young kiddies now ,your out look on things change .i don t think he's got the hunger anymore to mix it aggressively. But the guys won 3 world titles broke most things in his body so hats off to him .just wish he could gate consistently like Hancock because once he's in front it takes a bloody good rider to pass him Personally I think he's got a really good chance of winning it now, Laguta and Janowski are up and down as usual, Zmarlik has not been doing a great deal away from Gorzow this season, Emil is out of it, I think it'll be between Woffy, Madsen & Freddie... maybe Zmarzlik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted September 13, 2020 Report Share Posted September 13, 2020 28 minutes ago, Ben91 said: I see what you’re saying, my point was more aimed at the fact that the winner of the meeting now gets the most points, on a meeting by meeting basis. Which isn’t a bad thing in my eyes. Of course we’ve had four rounds and four different winners. Out of those winners Freddie has been the most consistent in getting to the final in the other meetings so is rightly top of the pile right now. Without doing the sums I’d assume under the old system that Zmarzlik would be well clear now? If that was the case I’d dare say the series would be a foregone conclusion already. As it is, we could have a completely different complexion this time next week. As a neutral fan that is exciting. Zmarzlik would be 6 pts clear of Janowski under the old system 1 2 3 4 Total Pts +/- % Old Rank New Rank Rank Diff Freddie Lindgren 10 11 14 17 52 66 14 27% 3 1 2 Bartosz Zmarzlik 11 14 20 14 59 59 0 0% 1 2 -1 Maciej Janowski 17 19 8 9 53 57 4 8% 2 3 -1 Tai Woffinden 12 15 12 11 50 53 3 6% 4 4 0 Leon Madsen 13 7 12 15 47 50 3 6% 5 5 0 Artem Laguta 20 13 7 3 43 45 2 5% 6 6 0 Jason Doyle 5 3 12 16 36 42 6 17% 8 7 1 Emil Sayfutdinov 11 6 6 13 36 36 0 0% 8 8 0 Martin Vaculik 11 4 13 12 40 35 -5 -13% 7 9 -2 Matej Zagar 6 4 8 5 23 27 4 17% 10 10 0 Max Fricke 2 8 4 8 22 24 2 9% 12 11 1 Niels-Kristian Iversen 3 11 6 3 23 24 1 4% 10 11 -1 Mikkel Michelsen 5 7 5 2 19 18 -1 -5% 13 13 0 Gleb Chugunov 6 8 14 16 2 14% 15 14 1 Patryk Dudek 5 7 3 1 16 16 0 0% 14 14 0 Anders Thomsen 4 6 10 10 0 0% 16 16 0 Antonio Lindback 1 1 2 3 7 6 -1 -14% 17 17 0 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted September 13, 2020 Report Share Posted September 13, 2020 Lindgren is the biggest winner under new system so far with vaculick being the biggest loser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted September 13, 2020 Report Share Posted September 13, 2020 Can see Freddie going on to win this year, the most consistent rider , can see him making semis and finals In the last four rounds . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted September 13, 2020 Report Share Posted September 13, 2020 47 minutes ago, iainb said: Personally I think he's got a really good chance of winning it now, Laguta and Janowski are up and down as usual, Zmarlik has not been doing a great deal away from Gorzow this season, Emil is out of it, I think it'll be between Woffy, Madsen & Freddie... maybe Zmarzlik Woffy’s definitely in the mix I’d say. A couple of better semi-final results over the weekend and he’d be sitting even prettier right now. I still make Bartosz favourite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted September 13, 2020 Report Share Posted September 13, 2020 15 minutes ago, Ben91 said: Woffy’s definitely in the mix I’d say. A couple of better semi-final results over the weekend and he’d be sitting even prettier right now. I still make Bartosz favourite. Woffy is going for the “slow and steady wins the race” method.Dont like the scoring system but if Freddie wins Championship I wouldn’t mind as he is a rider Who gives his all every race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko Posted September 13, 2020 Report Share Posted September 13, 2020 I am not sure about the scoring system, but it’s not ruining it for me! and speedway is often run on a gimmick stipulation, league racing has for years now been run using play offs which is a gimmick that can allow a team to come from nowhere to steal the top prize, same now in GP, have an average meeting, scrape into the semi finals, go on to win it and boom 20 points. The difference is though, league play offs are decided effectively over 2 meetings, Grand Prix’s are decided over 8 but often more. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 13, 2020 Report Share Posted September 13, 2020 16 hours ago, lucifer sam said: Yup. Twice rides Madsen hard and cries when it's done back! Spot on Rob .. he was also hard on Freddie on the second lap .. Sadly you have people who can't see pass the team they support 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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