Fromafar Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 Think there has to be system where you get a few extra for reaching a semi final and possibly a few more extra for making The Final.This years points is perhaps a little to extreme IMO.Although the Top men still figured .Roll on next year ,they done well to get a Series this yearIMO. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Fromafar said: Roll on next year ,they done well to get a Series this yearIMO. A few on here would do well to remember that... Overall, there were a couple of cracking meetings, and a couple of good ones, plus perhaps the best race of all time (Heat 2 on Saturday), and plenty of other fantastic ones, and the championship not being decided until three heats from the end of the series. I think that is pretty good, myself. Given the circumstances, it was great! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 17 hours ago, AFCB Wildcat said: You're right, but unfortunately there's a few that get aggressive if others don't agree with them! There are merits on both sides but regarding your point as to if BZ had slipped up and missed the semis, could it not be argued that if that had happened it was because the pressure had got to him and he bottled his last ride, in which case would he be a worthy champion? I didn't like seeing riders looking dominant in the heats then go missing in the semis or final but come away with the spoils. As it was BZ showed he was the best rider in the series and won it in the style of a true champion. I like the new system too but as you say we can agree to disagree. SGP dodged 2 bullets on Saturday night, if Bartek hadn't made the final he could have been 14 race points clear at the top of the table and not been World Champion and it could have all gone back to count back and delays to work out who was World Champ. And not because he "went missing" in the semis, could have touched the tapes, had an engine failure etc. Look at Janowski, his title challenge was effectively over when he touched the tapes in heat 20 of Prague 1 and didn't make the semis, old points system finishes 1 point behind Tai and Fred, new points finishes 10 points behind. There's too much jeopardy in this points system 1 bad round and you're out of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 (edited) 20 hours ago, Fromafar said: Think there has to be system where you get a few extra for reaching a semi final and possibly a few more extra for making The Final.This years points is perhaps a little to extreme IMO.Although the Top men still figured .Roll on next year ,they done well to get a Series this yearIMO. I made the point before, where scoring should be 4 3 2 1 in the semi finals, to rewards the 4th placed rider for at least making the semis. In the final then points should be doubled to be 8 6 4 2. Again, rewarding the 4th placed rider for making the final but heavily rewarding the eventual winner. Similar to a few years ago where they had double points in the final. Every points scored in every heat then counts towards your total, with a maximum of 27 points on offer at each round. I haven't bothered working it out but would be interesting to see how that would of effected this years standings. Edited October 7, 2020 by Najjer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCB Wildcat Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 5 hours ago, iainb said: SGP dodged 2 bullets on Saturday night, if Bartek hadn't made the final he could have been 14 race points clear at the top of the table and not been World Champion and it could have all gone back to count back and delays to work out who was World Champ. And not because he "went missing" in the semis, could have touched the tapes, had an engine failure etc. Look at Janowski, his title challenge was effectively over when he touched the tapes in heat 20 of Prague 1 and didn't make the semis, old points system finishes 1 point behind Tai and Fred, new points finishes 10 points behind. There's too much jeopardy in this points system 1 bad round and you're out of it Swings & roundabouts for me. Championship winning race points could be earned off the back of the misfortunes of others in the ways you described in the old system. Also riders gaining points by having the favoured gates at the right time in the meeting have inflated scores too. If you top the score chart in the heats, everything is stacked in your favour for the semis & finals so if you get beat from there your not the best in my opinion. Of course you could suffer an engine failure etc. but in the old one off finals that people think we're best, one engine failure, tape exclusion or poor refereeing decision could & did cost the best rider the title, that's speedway. At least with this system a rider can bounce back from a misfortune or two outside his control and still prove he's the best. I'm not saying this system is perfect and it's not the one I'd have chosen but I prefer it to the old one as I didn't think the guy that stood on the top step at the end of the night was adequately rewarded and the finals were a bit pointless when it was simply a point totting exercise. As I said, just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 6 hours ago, iainb said: SGP dodged 2 bullets on Saturday night, if Bartek hadn't made the final he could have been 14 race points clear at the top of the table and not been World Champion and it could have all gone back to count back and delays to work out who was World Champ. And not because he "went missing" in the semis, could have touched the tapes, had an engine failure etc. Look at Janowski, his title challenge was effectively over when he touched the tapes in heat 20 of Prague 1 and didn't make the semis, old points system finishes 1 point behind Tai and Fred, new points finishes 10 points behind. There's too much jeopardy in this points system 1 bad round and you're out of it I agree, this system is no good. As the meeting goes through the 20 programed heats you knew exactly who had scored what points last year. And every race counted. No opportunity for testing. Under the new system count back can matter, fans have to back track and you have to check how many points each position gets. I am not a fan. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 As I see it every point counts in this seasons new system. The more points you get in heats 1-20 give you a better choice of gate in the semis. If you 5 ride points get you into semi1 then the better chance of first pick of gates for the final. Not much wrong with the point system this year, but there was not much wrong with the point system last year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahrab Posted October 9, 2020 Report Share Posted October 9, 2020 What are the thoughts of track preparation during the GP series bar Prague? Do Ekstraliga meetings have any issues with prep, grading and watering compared to the nonsense SGP encounter with material, grip and riders hanging over the fence to see Phil Morris waving his arms around? Can’t help think at times if it’s the polish track crew playing silly buggers making the organising look foolish for their product. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted October 14, 2020 Report Share Posted October 14, 2020 I thought in many cases it left a lot to be desired and wasn't based on what the track needed but more like we always water the track after 4 heats and we always put this amount of water on so this is the way it will always be. The first semi was often ruined due to over watering Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted October 14, 2020 Report Share Posted October 14, 2020 2 hours ago, iainb said: I thought in many cases it left a lot to be desired and wasn't based on what the track needed but more like we always water the track after 4 heats and we always put this amount of water on so this is the way it will always be. The first semi was often ruined due to over watering RACE Director has the final say ... Phil Morris nickname amongst the riders is Fireman Phil ... he does like a bit of water 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted October 15, 2020 Report Share Posted October 15, 2020 22 hours ago, PHILIPRISING said: RACE Director has the final say ... Phil Morris nickname amongst the riders is Fireman Phil ... he does like a bit of water While I agree with others regarding track watering, at least he is consistent.It does spoil a lot of 1st semi- finals though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoestringtours Posted February 2, 2021 Report Share Posted February 2, 2021 Well well I can’t believe it that after dozens of emails and messages out of the blue Toruń contacted me today and have refunded all our unused tickets from 2020. Im still in a state of shock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilly Posted April 17, 2021 Report Share Posted April 17, 2021 My emails keep getting retuned as undeliverable, has anybody got the correct email address? I've previously used biuro@speedway.torun.pl Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted April 17, 2021 Report Share Posted April 17, 2021 (edited) 57 minutes ago, Hilly said: My emails keep getting retuned as undeliverable, has anybody got the correct email address? I've previously used biuro@speedway.torun.pl Thanks That still is the correct email address- sent you a PM Edited April 17, 2021 by racers and royals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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