r8gdp Posted October 4, 2020 Report Share Posted October 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Bagpuss said: I’d have preferred a one off meeting/event this year, said as much in the spring. No different. Wouldn’t have agreed with that either if I’d been born / old enough! Have to agree with others, take out Prague and there has been some decent racing. I d have preferred a one off meeting also based on the old way of just 20 heats with the present crop of riders it would be tough to pick a winner , every race would be a pressure race they would have to approach it totally differently knowing a couple of bad rides and you're chances are gone . There would in my opinion be more chance of a run off for the title now that's pressure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatface Posted October 4, 2020 Report Share Posted October 4, 2020 Well done Zmarzlik - thoroughly deserved and clearly the world's best rider at the moment. Well done BSI. In a year where the international sporting calendar has been ravaged, they pulled together an excellent series in difficult circumstances. Finally, happy 25th anniversary. To those STILL banging on about a return to one-off World Finals. Here's to 25 more! 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted October 4, 2020 Report Share Posted October 4, 2020 10 hours ago, Ben91 said: He has improved over the course of the series, that is undeniable. That is what my post was saying, not being an after timer suggesting he should have a wildcard because of one meeting. I still believe that to be the case despite him struggling on night two in Toruń. I’d rather see Fricke in than Lindback or NKI who have had plenty of chances for example. While I tend to agree with you to be fair NKI did qualify for this years series by right from the 2019 GP Challenge as did Zagar and Fricke. The real strange decision was to offer Lindback a wild card slot and it not to have been offered to Aspgren. Like I've said elsewhere I'd like to see Loktaev in, blew it in this years challenge and was only 1 point adrift of possible qualification in 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted October 4, 2020 Report Share Posted October 4, 2020 2 hours ago, r8gdp said: I d have preferred a one off meeting also based on the old way of just 20 heats with the present crop of riders it would be tough to pick a winner , every race would be a pressure race they would have to approach it totally differently knowing a couple of bad rides and you're chances are gone . There would in my opinion be more chance of a run off for the title now that's pressure. BSI needed eight meetings to fulfil television contracts... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted October 4, 2020 Report Share Posted October 4, 2020 Well done to Bartosz deserved World Champion ,gives it 100%,I’m a Janowski fan think he is the class act for style and speed ,but can only be one Champ.Bartosz was hard on him in final but that is what makes a Champ.Felt a lot of rider layed it down tonight looking for re-runs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted October 4, 2020 Report Share Posted October 4, 2020 Can see the pros and cons of Wild cards , a top form rider or World champion gets injured half way through the series and does not have enough points to qualify for the next year. On the other hand six qualify by right then the next four in line also get picked? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted October 4, 2020 Report Share Posted October 4, 2020 (edited) So you saying only top 6 qualify, plus Sec champ, plus 3 challenge, so you want 5 fresh ones every year. You, and other wishful pickers, could well be in tears. Is there really 5 others each and every year good enough to come into the GP.? Who , for instance would you put in next year, 5 of them, that would be more then also rans.??? Who, outside of the GP’s this year have been lighting up the track week after week?.? Edited October 4, 2020 by OveFundinFan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwright71 Posted October 4, 2020 Report Share Posted October 4, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, OveFundinFan said: So you saying only top 6 qualify, plus Sec champ, plus 3 challenge, so you want 5 fresh ones every year. You, and other wishful pickers, could well be in tears. Is there really 5 others each and every year good enough to come into the GP.? Who , for instance would you put in next year, 5 of them, that would be more then also rans.??? Who, outside of the GP’s this year have been lighting up the track week after week?.? Lets go back to top 8 qualify then. Just a change for change sake as usual which hasn't worked. As per the scoring system, bin that as well. Summed it up last night after heat 2 when Pearson said you're going to have to wait a couple of hours before we have any idea how the World Championship will start to look. Edited October 4, 2020 by iwright71 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted October 4, 2020 Report Share Posted October 4, 2020 59 minutes ago, iwright71 said: Lets go back to top 8 qualify then. Just a change for change sake as usual which hasn't worked. As per the scoring system, bin that as well. Summed it up last night after heat 2 when Pearson said you're going to have to wait a couple of hours before we have any idea how the World Championship will start to look. Top 6 has only been done one year, hardly a fair test. What if no 7 and 8 had been rubbish this year, you would be stuck with them. Top 6 gives loads of flexibility if needed, why tie your hands so no movement. Pearson doesnt always say what he is thinking, you should have known at the start of Torun last night what the situation was, and then follow through who may or may not get in the semis, and once the semis were going on you can work out who is in with a chance. I thought it was close and exciting all night, was Zmarzlik going to get in the semis, if he didn’t it would have been wide open. Then would he get to the final seeing as he was on gate 4 in the semi. Woffinden going out in the final, Zmarzlik getting in, then Freddy only needed top 3 in the final to be 2nd in the world, drama at the start with Freddie’s bike giving up. If you didn’t find all that exciting then I am lost for words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted October 4, 2020 Report Share Posted October 4, 2020 If they had been “rubbish”:they wouldn’t be 7th and 8th 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexBrady Posted October 4, 2020 Report Share Posted October 4, 2020 No surprises - Laguta, Sayfutdinov, Vaculik, Fricke & Thomsen confirmed. I had a sneaky feeling that Nicki P would be back - shows what I know! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ytsejam Posted October 4, 2020 Report Share Posted October 4, 2020 20 hours ago, mikebv said: Tai talking about himself in the third person there.. Oh dear.. Edit: mikebv wonders why Tai does this.. That's because he is so full of himself and his own importance! Always has been. Ridiculous that someone who has won as few actual races as he has this year, finishes second in the championship! Just another example of how ridiculous the new scoring system is. Well done Bartosz, truly deserved winner of the GP series, head and shoulders above anyone else at the moment. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted October 4, 2020 Report Share Posted October 4, 2020 2 hours ago, ytsejam said: That's because he is so full of himself and his own importance! Always has been. Ridiculous that someone who has won as few actual races as he has this year, finishes second in the championship! Just another example of how ridiculous the new scoring system is. Tai would have finished 2nd under the previous scoring system as well, so what would you propose? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odds On Posted October 5, 2020 Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 there didn't look a lot of love between Freddie,Tai and Bartosz on the rostrum on Saturday, is there history between them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiles Posted October 5, 2020 Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 As been said before on here, variety is needed some double weekends on the same track or close by(Torun and Bydgoszcz) and then some single weekends.What do people think the maximum events over the season. 16 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwright71 Posted October 5, 2020 Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 On 10/4/2020 at 5:18 PM, OveFundinFan said: Top 6 has only been done one year, hardly a fair test. What if no 7 and 8 had been rubbish this year, you would be stuck with them. Top 6 gives loads of flexibility if needed, why tie your hands so no movement. Pearson doesnt always say what he is thinking, you should have known at the start of Torun last night what the situation was, and then follow through who may or may not get in the semis, and once the semis were going on you can work out who is in with a chance. I thought it was close and exciting all night, was Zmarzlik going to get in the semis, if he didn’t it would have been wide open. Then would he get to the final seeing as he was on gate 4 in the semi. Woffinden going out in the final, Zmarzlik getting in, then Freddy only needed top 3 in the final to be 2nd in the world, drama at the start with Freddie’s bike giving up. If you didn’t find all that exciting then I am lost for words. As has previously been posted if you finish 7th or 8th in an 8 round GP series you are a top rider and deserving of your place. For all the call for fresh faces there are simply not many riders out there who are significantly better than those in the whole field and definitely not better than the top 8. I take it your a fan of the new scoring system, fine but I think you are in a minority. The crux of the series is to find a deserving World Champion, not to fudge it so that it always comes down to the last race of the season. Maybe we should award double points in the last round to give all the top six a crack at being champion on the last round . Sorry forget I ever said that. I fully understand how the system works but prefer the World Championship table to evolve throughout the meeting , not have to wait until heat 20 before it takes shape. Each to their own I suppose. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 (edited) Lovers of the new points system, think on. Had BZ slipped up on Saturday and just missed out on the semis, Tai or Freddie could well have gone on to be WC. However, BZ would still have been the top race points scorer and would still have had the highest race average, by far. Can you imagine the outcry there would have been, not least from the Poles, about such an outcome. The new points system would already, by now, be an historic experiment. Edited October 6, 2020 by False dawn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzie Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 Love the new point system, should've always been this way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 4 minutes ago, ozzie said: Love the new point system, should've always been this way. I guess this is a binary opinion. I would say exactly the same about last year's point system. But we're civilised folks, aren't we? We'll agree to disagree 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCB Wildcat Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 3 hours ago, False dawn said: I guess this is a binary opinion. I would say exactly the same about last year's point system. But we're civilised folks, aren't we? We'll agree to disagree You're right, but unfortunately there's a few that get aggressive if others don't agree with them! There are merits on both sides but regarding your point as to if BZ had slipped up and missed the semis, could it not be argued that if that had happened it was because the pressure had got to him and he bottled his last ride, in which case would he be a worthy champion? I didn't like seeing riders looking dominant in the heats then go missing in the semis or final but come away with the spoils. As it was BZ showed he was the best rider in the series and won it in the style of a true champion. I like the new system too but as you say we can agree to disagree. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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