eric i Posted September 23, 2020 Report Share Posted September 23, 2020 imo iversen, dudek, michelsen and lindback shouldn't get a pick. Fricke needs to score well in Torun to stand a chance of a pick. Gregory Laguta would be a good addition but I am not sure they give 3 Russians a pick. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno Posted September 24, 2020 Report Share Posted September 24, 2020 I reckon they'll go top 9 plus the 4 already qualified and 2 new faces 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iand Posted September 24, 2020 Report Share Posted September 24, 2020 1 hour ago, bruno said: I reckon they'll go top 9 plus the 4 already qualified and 2 new faces Agree that with the way the top 9 have pulled away that they will be in. Would have thought that with the politics that go on that a Dane Michelson /Thomson and a Aussie Fricke /J Holder will make the 15. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted September 24, 2020 Report Share Posted September 24, 2020 11 hours ago, eric i said: imo iversen, dudek, michelsen and lindback shouldn't get a pick. Fricke needs to score well in Torun to stand a chance of a pick. Gregory Laguta would be a good addition but I am not sure they give 3 Russians a pick. Agree regarding Iversen and Lindback . Dudek and Michelsen are relatively young And probably deserve still to be there on general form in leagues.Like has been stated there is aTop 5/6 that are probably the title contenders the rest just now are making up the numbers.Most of the other other youngsters up and coming are Poles.Holder,Lidsey and Fricke probably deserve a chance. Agree with GP Challenge Final being held after last GP with some riders at the lower end of series involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted September 24, 2020 Report Share Posted September 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Fromafar said: Agree regarding Iversen and Lindback . Dudek and Michelsen are relatively young And probably deserve still to be there on general form in leagues.Like has been stated there is aTop 5/6 that are probably the title contenders the rest just now are making up the numbers.Most of the other other youngsters up and coming are Poles.Holder,Lidsey and Fricke probably deserve a chance. Agree with GP Challenge Final being held after last GP with some riders at the lower end of series involved. Agree with all that. Thing is, even though there seems to be 5 or 6 main contenders, it doesn't mean that some of the others aren't worthy of a place; they are generally still the "best of the rest". Again, people want new blood, but by riders like Iversen and Zagar qualifying, it proves that the "new blood" isn't good enough - yet. I think Dudek, Michelsen, and Fricke all deserve another crack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted September 24, 2020 Report Share Posted September 24, 2020 There seems to be a growing "conflict" between those that "deserve" to be in the GP series and those that are chosen to be in it. Those that deserve a place via their finishing position in the series has been reduced from 8 to 6. Thus, those that can "qualify" via other means has therefore increased. The winner of the European Championship is one way most would support (maybe?). We, in the UK, might be a little biased just now. The timing and allowable entries into the Challenge has been widely criticised and I for one find it a little bemusing watching a competitor in the current championship who could score zero races points in all 8 GPs but still knows that he quaifies for next year's championship. And at the same time, we rip up a perfectly good scoring system because we dislike the fact that a GP winner may not be the top championship scorer on the night. A strange set of inconsistent standards in my view. And then we have the national political view. I'm not talking about politics in the normal sense. Rather I refer to the "need" to have a balanced set of different nationalities in the series. This is admiral in one sense, in that the governing body wish to make this a world series. But we've seen how wildcards have been awarded in the past which are hardly justified from a sporting standpoint but seemily based on ensuring a good attendance at certain GPs. We have to take stock. The GP series has completely supplanted the old one off World Final. The purists can continue to debate the point, but that ship has sailed. There is a political element to who participates in the championship. Some countries (actually one) dominates the sporting panorama just now [temporary]. TV is a big influence. But surely, the concept of fairness has to ultimately rule? We, as fans, many of us for a lot of years, can see a sporting unfairness when we see it. Surely, what we want, without necessarily know how to get it, is to have the best in the World competing for the ultimate goal? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pogs Posted September 24, 2020 Report Share Posted September 24, 2020 I have 2 free tickets for Saturday Torun as we have decided not to go. row 1 sector 0 great seats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted September 24, 2020 Report Share Posted September 24, 2020 Although I've no complaints about Jack Holder getting the Wildcard I'm a little disappointed the already qualified SEC winner Robert Lambert hasn't had a shout for any of these rounds. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted September 24, 2020 Report Share Posted September 24, 2020 I hope those who go to Poland get into the stadium. Is there any more news about the GP's being over sold ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted September 24, 2020 Report Share Posted September 24, 2020 (edited) If Lindback isn't given a wild-card for next year's series, that means all 16 riders will be white. Who is actually responsible for the lack of diversity in speedway? Is it the BSI or FIM? Edited September 24, 2020 by KeirStarmerFan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted September 24, 2020 Report Share Posted September 24, 2020 29 minutes ago, KeirStarmerFan said: If Lindback isn't given a wild-card for next year's series, that means all 16 riders will be white. Who is actually responsible for the lack of diversity in speedway? Is it the BSI or FIM? That is your best troll post so far. Hilarious 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted September 24, 2020 Report Share Posted September 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Mark said: I hope those who go to Poland get into the stadium. Is there any more news about the GP's being over sold ? We finally got a refund from Toruń today, bsi were worse than useless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill94d Posted September 25, 2020 Report Share Posted September 25, 2020 IMO no Russians should be in the series with what Mr. Putin was up to in Salisbury, and with what poor Mr, Alexei Navalny has gone through. Just as with athletics a stand, however feeble it may be, is called for. You shouldn't be able to go around the world poisoning people and expect to get away with it. Sorry for the Russian riders if it happened but only the Russian people can realistically have any effect on this lunatic. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted September 25, 2020 Report Share Posted September 25, 2020 10 minutes ago, bill94d said: IMO no Russians should be in the series with what Mr. Putin was up to in Salisbury, and with what poor Mr, Alexei Navalny has gone through. Just as with athletics a stand, however feeble it may be, is called for. You shouldn't be able to go around the world poisoning people and expect to get away with it. Sorry for the Russian riders if it happened but only the Russian people can realistically have any effect on this lunatic. Can you send that to Boris and ask him to take the peerage off Putins right hand man in London, maybe Boris would like to pay back millions of bung money too. Far easier and more relevant targets than Speedway Riders who have done nothing wrong when corrupt UK politicians are up to their neck in dirty Russian money. Wonder if The Cabinet have Anlas tyres on their company limos?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therefused Posted September 25, 2020 Report Share Posted September 25, 2020 1 hour ago, bill94d said: IMO no Russians should be in the series with what Mr. Putin was up to in Salisbury, and with what poor Mr, Alexei Navalny has gone through. Just as with athletics a stand, however feeble it may be, is called for. You shouldn't be able to go around the world poisoning people and expect to get away with it. Sorry for the Russian riders if it happened but only the Russian people can realistically have any effect on this lunatic. Haha, like Putin would care about that whatsoever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill94d Posted September 25, 2020 Report Share Posted September 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, therefused said: Haha, like Putin would care about that whatsoever. No, he wouldn't care but it shows decent people do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted September 25, 2020 Report Share Posted September 25, 2020 2 hours ago, bill94d said: IMO no Russians should be in the series with what Mr. Putin was up to in Salisbury, and with what poor Mr, Alexei Navalny has gone through. Just as with athletics a stand, however feeble it may be, is called for. You shouldn't be able to go around the world poisoning people and expect to get away with it. Sorry for the Russian riders if it happened but only the Russian people can realistically have any effect on this lunatic. I think we need a reality check. If we ban all riders, riding on a Russian licence, what do you think will happen next? [hint: Gleb Chugunov] 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Clemens Posted September 25, 2020 Report Share Posted September 25, 2020 Good to see the FIM and BSI agree that the GP's need a shake up reducing the automatic qualifiers to 6 but should have made it three. This is to increase the competition because of the riders who don't seem to be pulling their weight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted September 25, 2020 Report Share Posted September 25, 2020 15 minutes ago, Mr. Clemens said: Good to see the FIM and BSI agree that the GP's need a shake up reducing the automatic qualifiers to 6 but should have made it three. This is to increase the competition because of the riders who don't seem to be pulling their weight. You would have to give at least 1/2 dozen wild cards if you reduced it to 3 or would have even more “also runs”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Clemens Posted September 25, 2020 Report Share Posted September 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, Fromafar said: You would have to give at least 1/2 dozen wild cards if you reduced it to 3 or would have even more “also runs”. Doesn't say a lot for the quality of riders in speedway does't ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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