Grachan Posted August 31, 2020 Report Share Posted August 31, 2020 22 minutes ago, iainb said: or a quarter full I guess I'm just a three-quarters empty kind of guy. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted August 31, 2020 Report Share Posted August 31, 2020 17 minutes ago, falcace said: That's an interesting point and a valid example you raise. The devil is in the detail of this and it would require deeper market research than our musings. My suspicion is that the Arenacross crowd is more of a casual motorsports/entertainment crowd and the speedway crowd are much more committed fans of the sport. So, would the speedway fans be interested in the back to back option unlike the more transient Arenacross crowd? I suspect so, but like you, I don't know. That's where the market research is required. Again, only my suspicions, but I think the majority of Speedway GP goers make a weekend of it. One final point, I think's it's a mistake to make assumptions that speedway fans are similar to other motorsports fans. I think there is quite a distinction, with a lot of speedway fans (I'd suggest the majority) having little or no interest in other motorsport, so findings from wider motorsport are not always applicable to speedway. So, I think you are right that back to back GPs shouldn't be implemented blindly from 2021, but nor should the idea be dismissed. Worth looking into though The stadium looked less than half-full on Friday, which was the maximum capacity. Was the selling option, perhaps, one ticket for both nights and a lot of people bought a two-night ticket even though they were only going on Saturday? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted August 31, 2020 Report Share Posted August 31, 2020 Those calling for the double headers to continue when the crowds hopefully return, just imagine the hotel costs for Cardiff weekend?? Yep, the moaning would proper kick off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted August 31, 2020 Report Share Posted August 31, 2020 57 minutes ago, Grachan said: The stadium looked less than half-full on Friday, which was the maximum capacity. Was the selling option, perhaps, one ticket for both nights and a lot of people bought a two-night ticket even though they were only going on Saturday? Tickets were sold individually. Not as with the SON. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatface Posted August 31, 2020 Report Share Posted August 31, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Daniel Smith said: Those calling for the double headers to continue when the crowds hopefully return, just imagine the hotel costs for Cardiff weekend?? Yep, the moaning would proper kick off. I think it's beyond all of us to prevent moaning. I can only speak for myself and I stay for two nights at the (very reasonable) Uni Campus. Others fork out for two nights at somewhere swisher, some for a simple B&B, some AirBNB, others on the outskirts, some in and out for the day. I am not quite clear on why the costs (admittedly steep in some cases) would increase if there were two GPs anyway? In my experience of B&Bs, you have to book two nights anyway over the GP weekend to get a bed. So, it makes little difference to the B&B owner anyway. Or if you did want to stay for one night and see both GPs, then find somewhere that will do that, stay over Friday and head off post-GP on Saturday. Or if you wanted juts to see one GP on Friday or Saturday and begrudged any accommodation fees, then don't stay. Choices aplenty for everyone. It's a free country. Ticket-wise for the GP, I'd suggest full price for one night and 33% off if you booked both GPs. I suspect Cardiff would be the more challenging sell, but for the sell-outs in Poland, looking from the outside, on paper it makes sense. Again, as above, needs a proper bit of research though. Edited August 31, 2020 by falcace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted August 31, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2020 Lets not forget that the Friday/ Saturday`s are only able to run this year due to the Extraleague`s co-operation in moving some Friday night meetings. Not sure that in 2021 they would think the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted August 31, 2020 Report Share Posted August 31, 2020 51 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: Those calling for the double headers to continue when the crowds hopefully return, just imagine the hotel costs for Cardiff weekend?? Yep, the moaning would proper kick off. Always stay Friday and Saturday night , £400 for two nights . Agree some will travel in for the day or one night stopover . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted August 31, 2020 Report Share Posted August 31, 2020 6 hours ago, PHILIPRISING said: PLUS the cost of an overnight stay ... works in Poland because each SGP there is drawing its crowd from the fan base already in the respective city. A two day event in Warsaw probably wouldn't work either. Maybe 2 GPs in towns that are close would work for riders and crowd. It doesn't have to be every weekend is a 2 x GP weekend. Mix it up. Bydgoszcz/Torun is an obvious one but those with a Polish or European map will know more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted August 31, 2020 Report Share Posted August 31, 2020 1 hour ago, Mark said: Maybe 2 GPs in towns that are close would work for riders and crowd. It doesn't have to be every weekend is a 2 x GP weekend. Mix it up. Bydgoszcz/Torun is an obvious one but those with a Polish or European map will know more. I thought that... then I thought of the logistics needed to deconstruct the setup at one venue, transport it and set it up at the next venue, easy for the fans, not so much for the organisers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted August 31, 2020 Report Share Posted August 31, 2020 5 hours ago, topaz325 said: Always stay Friday and Saturday night , £400 for two nights . Agree some will travel in for the day or one night stopover . Likewise, but staying at the University. £57.60 for two nights! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatface Posted August 31, 2020 Report Share Posted August 31, 2020 20 minutes ago, Gambo said: Likewise, but staying at the University. £57.60 for two nights! Ssshhh! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim G Posted August 31, 2020 Report Share Posted August 31, 2020 7 hours ago, falcace said: That's an interesting point and a valid example you raise. The devil is in the detail of this and it would require deeper market research than our musings. My suspicion is that the Arenacross crowd is more of a casual motorsports/entertainment crowd and the speedway crowd are much more committed fans of the sport. So, would the speedway fans be interested in the back to back option unlike the more transient Arenacross crowd? I suspect so, but like you, I don't know. That's where the market research is required. Again, only my suspicions, but I think the majority of Speedway GP goers make a weekend of it. One final point, I think's it's a mistake to make assumptions that speedway fans are similar to other motorsports fans. I think there is quite a distinction, with a lot of speedway fans (I'd suggest the majority) having little or no interest in other motorsport, so findings from wider motorsport are not always applicable to speedway. So, I think you are right that back to back GPs shouldn't be implemented blindly from 2021, but nor should the idea be dismissed. Worth looking into though I would say the Arenacross is a bit like Cardiff where you have your hardcore fans and the people going for an enjoyable night out, I wouldn’t be surprised if the splits about 50/50. Most people I know that go to Cardiff it is there only speedway meeting that year and I doubt very much they would want to go two days running. However, if you had a GP at Belle Vue two days running I am sure it would sell out both days so maybe it could work at different stadiums. Speedway doesn’t really sit well with fans from other motorsports which does surprise me as it’s a damn site more entertaining than formula one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted August 31, 2020 Report Share Posted August 31, 2020 (edited) On 8/31/2020 at 12:22 PM, Tim G said: Speedway doesn’t really sit well with fans from other motorsports which does surprise me as it’s a damn site more entertaining than formula one. That's the problem. It's easy for speedway fans to dismiss other sports, but there has to be a reason why nearly everything is more popular than speedway... Edited September 1, 2020 by chunky 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted August 31, 2020 Report Share Posted August 31, 2020 15 minutes ago, chunky said: That's the problem. It's easy for speedway fans to dismiss other sports, but there has to be a reason why nearly everything is is more popular than speedway... Rules, team formats, guests, double uppers. Just a simple sport, really! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted August 31, 2020 Report Share Posted August 31, 2020 15 minutes ago, IronScorpion said: Rules, team formats, guests, double uppers. Just a simple sport, really! Really needs to be run by an outside body not promoters .that would be good for a start Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim G Posted August 31, 2020 Report Share Posted August 31, 2020 34 minutes ago, chunky said: That's the problem. It's easy for speedway fans to dismiss other sports, but there has to be a reason why nearly everything is is more popular than speedway... Very true, but many other forms of motorsport interest me but the ones that take the piss out of me for watching speedway are F1 fans!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted August 31, 2020 Report Share Posted August 31, 2020 2 hours ago, chunky said: That's the problem. It's easy for speedway fans to dismiss other sports, but there has to be a reason why nearly everything is is more popular than speedway... Marketing, promotion, presentation. And, at some UK tracks, the content. The GPs and Speedway in Poland tend to have the above largely right, and as a result get decent crowds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted August 31, 2020 Report Share Posted August 31, 2020 22 minutes ago, waiheke1 said: Marketing, promotion, presentation. And, at some UK tracks, the content. The GPs and Speedway in Poland tend to have the above largely right, and as a result get decent crowds. I agree with you 100%, and my comment was completely rhetorical! I just get tired of speedway fans slamming other sports - and far more popular and successful sports - simply because they don't like it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim G Posted August 31, 2020 Report Share Posted August 31, 2020 8 minutes ago, chunky said: I agree with you 100%, and my comment was completely rhetorical! I just get tired of speedway fans slamming other sports - and far more popular and successful sports - simply because they don't like it... So because something is more popular and successful nobody can make a remark about it because a sport I enjoy unfortunately is not anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neila Posted August 31, 2020 Report Share Posted August 31, 2020 11 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: Those calling for the double headers to continue when the crowds hopefully return, just imagine the hotel costs for Cardiff weekend?? Yep, the moaning would proper kick off. Was expecting hotels to cost an arm and a leg for 2021 as the date was known well before you could book hotels, but was very surprised and pleased to get premier Inn in city centre for £129 for 2 nites !! Mind I did stay up until early hours the nite hotels were released Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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