screm Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 To be brutally honest I don't have a massive amount of faith in the powers that be to come up with anything like a solution for the 2021 season, and have absolutely zero confidence in Rob Godfrey, as chairman, to lead the powers that be to anything like a solution for the 2021 season. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 38 minutes ago, ch958 said: and then our guilty secret would be out. "Wait a minute - wasn't he riding for Belle Vue last week?" Don't you mean, "Wait a minute - wasn't he riding for Belle Vue, Sheffield, Somerset and Poole last week?" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 The committee will have to discuss Somerset pulling out of the league possibly! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cinderfella Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 11 minutes ago, lewy said: The committee will have to discuss Somerset pulling out of the league possibly! I think there may be a few pull out especially if certain changes are enforced. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 It needs to be a brand new start - all about British Speedway, nothing else 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 If the rumours prove to be true surely Plymouth cannot be denied joining the championship in fact they may need Plymouth to make up the numbers. Not much of an advert for British speedway when a member 9f the management committee withdraws her team ,maybe scunny will pull out next! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, lewy said: If the rumours prove to be true surely Plymouth cannot be denied joining the championship in fact they may need Plymouth to make up the numbers. Not much of an advert for British speedway when a member 9f the management committee withdraws her team ,maybe scunny will pull out next! Ring Ring, Ring Ring.... "Hello', Plymouth Speedway"... "Hi, Plymouth Speedway, it's the BSP, No! No! Don't put the phone down,! No! Please!"..... Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...... Beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep........... Please replace the handset and try again...   Edited January 13, 2021 by mikebv 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 On 1/11/2021 at 2:48 PM, mikebv said: I did think this was a possible solution a while back so all teams come to the table, and ensure enough riders to go round, however.. My only negative to it was paying for 16 riders per meeting... Although I do think by grading riders and altering race formats that may be affordable? ie. 4 grades, A to D (with D level being riders 4 AND 5)., and (radical elert), the grades just race against each other 4 times from each gate position so the disparate level of riders on show shouldn't impact the closeness of the racing, as every race takes place with those of similar ability.. Stick down a maximum mean average for the team and that would mean no team could use the "best" of each grade.. Standard from Prem HL to Champ Reserve/NL Heat Leader., 96 points over 16 heats @ £75 a point average, (actual individual deals based on ability obviously), would mean an outlay of £7200 on average for each team to cover all four matches.. Eg per point, No 1 = £100, No 2 = £80, No 3 = £70 and No 4 = £50. (No. 5 same as 4 if he rides).. With no crowds nothing happens obviously, but if we do get fans in again, maybe doing 4 teams per match (one league) would mean lots of Speedway for the riders, and different teams visiting for the fans? (And four lots of Speedway starved fan bases to try and attract per meeting). Maybe even North and South Conference the league so you ride against more local teams more often than those at the opposite end of the Country, with a North v South playoff (similar to the way the NFL does it).. The NL could possibly still run the traditional format of two teams, 7 per team, to ensure lots of rides for those still progressing through, or, if enough teams are interested, also run 4 team tournaments meaning 16/20 developing riders get track time each night.. I am sure riders would prefer to ride four times per week (16 heats to earn money), in smaller team numbers, than run twice a week (and sometimes just once) in a seven man team  Only problem i can see is that lower level riders need to test them selves against higher opposition, so maybe 1 race per rider against the next grading up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillwhitewasmad Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 1 hour ago, lewy said: If the rumours prove to be true surely Plymouth cannot be denied joining the championship in fact they may need Plymouth to make up the numbers. Not much of an advert for British speedway when a member 9f the management committee withdraws her team ,maybe scunny will pull out next! Said person if rumours are right is already no longer a member of the said committee having already chucked the towel in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, phillwhitewasmad said: Said person if rumours are right is already no longer a member of the said committee having already chucked the towel in If said person has resigned i wonder when it will be announced? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillwhitewasmad Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 1 minute ago, lewy said: If said person has resigned i wonder when it will be announced? When it's in the press release but if it is true and riders are becoming available will the pressure from some clubs for everything to stay the same cease. As I see it nothing is the same anymore so let's have a reset of the sport. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 It's a constantly changing picture with the pandemic, brexit and rider availability some clubs pulling the plug etc making decisions for the future very difficult. Maybe a complete reset is the answer if only we had a crystal ball! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillwhitewasmad Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, lewy said: It's a constantly changing picture with the pandemic, brexit and rider availability some clubs pulling the plug etc making decisions for the future very difficult. Maybe a complete reset is the answer if only we had a crystal ball! Thing is regardless of our team affiliation we all know the sport is in disarray, so why not use the pandemic , brexit and rider availability as the once in a lifetime chance to press the reset button. Surely it is the opportunity the sport so badly needs for a period of time they have to put personal differences aside and vote for the good of the sport and not what's good personally 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 You always have the feeling at Speedway AGM's that even though 'The Success Of The Sport' is the only thing that they should focus on (and even more so currently), that "taking your bat and ball home" for some is never too far off the agenda.. Due to the Mickey Mouse rules they themsleves have implemented, it has pretty much devalued all their own competitions to not much more than a worthless' level, yet, for some, I would imagine, "winning" one of the Comps is still their overall objective, and "getting their way" at the AGM may just swing things in their favour to allow them to 'bask in the glory of victory' with a 'massed throng' of a few hundred people joining them... And all the while the Sport as a collective sinks lower and lower... Note to those in charge. . A great many fans of Speedway don't care who wins your Mickey Mouse structured Competitions... But a great many fans do care about the Sport they love... 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, phillwhitewasmad said: Thing is regardless of our team affiliation we all know the sport is in disarray, so why not use the pandemic , brexit and rider availability as the once in a lifetime chance to press the reset button. Surely it is the opportunity the sport so badly needs for a period of time they have to put personal differences aside and vote for the good of the sport and not what's good personally Spot on... The following season is affectively a free pass given to them from all the fans desperate to see some Speedway... They could have 'relaunched' the sport in the UK, with innovative, fresh, exciting, new ideas for the Sport in the UK.. Some which would work, some which wouldn't. . However, those that worked could then be built on for future success, and those that didn't replaced with other ideas... Going it alone was never more such a huge opportunity to be taken, becoming truly in charge of your own destiny, not being beholden to anyone other than their responsibility to FIM events.. Be interesting to see what innovative, fresh, exciting new ideas they have come up with with this huge opportunity for a reset and relaunch.. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattB Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 11 minutes ago, mikebv said: Spot on... The following season is affectively a free pass given to them from all the fans desperate to see some Speedway... They could have 'relaunched' the sport in the UK, with innovative, fresh, exciting, new ideas for the Sport in the UK.. Some which would work, some which wouldn't. . However, those that worked could then be built on for future success, and those that didn't replaced with other ideas... Going it alone was never more such a huge opportunity to be taken, becoming truly in charge of your own destiny, not being beholden to anyone other than their responsibility to FIM events.. Be interesting to see what innovative, fresh, exciting new ideas they have come up with with this huge opportunity for a reset and relaunch.. The old saying "Never waste a good crisis" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 7 hours ago, cinderfella said: ...IMO the only way speedway in the UK is going to move forward is with the formation of a TOTALLY INDEPENDENT administrative ruling body ... Made up of who? Paid how much, and by who? And who gets rid of them if they are no good? Get real. Who on earth, who's any good at anything, would want to take on the job? How much money do you think promoters are willing to pay to people who may not have a clue about the sport only to have the clueless give them the orders about how to run their show? And when they screw up, then what? When you have the answers, why not go on Dragons Den and suggest it to some real business people, and see if you can sell your idea to them and get their backing for your plan. See what their reaction will be. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cinderfella Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 1 hour ago, uk_martin said: Made up of who? Paid how much, and by who? And who gets rid of them if they are no good? Get real. Who on earth, who's any good at anything, would want to take on the job? How much money do you think promoters are willing to pay to people who may not have a clue about the sport only to have the clueless give them the orders about how to run their show? And when they screw up, then what? When you have the answers, why not go on Dragons Den and suggest it to some real business people, and see if you can sell your idea to them and get their backing for your plan. See what their reaction will be. A good management/admin team would be capable of bringing sponsorship money into the sport and their salaries could be paid from that. We can't get rid of the clowns running the sport as it is but anyone brought in would have a proven track (no pun intended) record. There have been various names of folk who have improved other sports bandied about in the past. Perhaps if you should get real if you think British Speedway is being managed properly. British Speedway was where every rider once wanted to ride but even the top British riders don't want to ride in their own national leagues these days and our sport is being dictated to by another country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinmauger Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 (edited) Comsidering what may be an obvious question; bearing in mind my interest in football is zip, the only grounds I've visited are Shielfield Park, The Shay, Owlerton (think they staged football for a time?) (original) Wembley and Hull's KCOM Stadium (only as part of a university course). So: how does it work for the football divisions / leagues with presumably the F.A. creating, enforcing and if necessary altering the rules of the game for the clubs which are (presumably) all separate businesses ? I just wondered in respect to how a much proposed 'independant ruling body, could / would work enforcing the (too many?) rules & regulations to ensure unbiased fairness in UK speedway....  Edited January 14, 2021 by martinmauger grammar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 Massive opportunity today to revolutionise speedway in the UK, get a proper all encompassing streaming service set up, race on the nights we want to with riders who will be fully committed to the leagues and their clubs with a fan base who are going to be desperate to see some speedway if and when it gets going this year.....but will they take it? How much faith have we all got in the folk running British speedway? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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