jenga Posted January 21, 2021 Report Share Posted January 21, 2021 On 1/20/2021 at 5:13 PM, screm said: So nearly a week on from the AGM , are we any further forward. are they still looking for the reset button for British speedway ? just go back to 1970 rules n regs ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted January 21, 2021 Report Share Posted January 21, 2021 7 minutes ago, mikebv said: About 20 years too late, but, better late than never... At last it appears that those who have routinely year on year helped reduce the sport to an almost irrelevance at domestic league level by using such a ludicrous operating model and business plan, have either been outnumbered and have no choice but to lump it, or have finally seen the hand in front of their face reality that whatever they did to help their own team win a title, it made zero impact to the sports long term success, as basically, it mattered not one jot to so many given the lack of a credible offer that they provided each week... Getting the GB team successful consistently has to be the overriding priority of the BSPL, with all three of their leagues providing an end to that means, with hopefully also the assistance of Poland and Sweden in providing places for UK riders deemed sufficiently good enough to get those place offers as they progress.. Teams full of UK lads has to be the target for the sport over here to once again get the publicity it so badly needs, and there really is no better way for a sport to awaken the public's consciousness towards it than bringing national success into their homes via the TV and media regularly... Lets hope it's the start of promoters finally bringing some reality to what their roles really are, (which is to grow the sport as a collective), and the end of them feeling that their own team winning any UK speedway title was 'the be all and end all', because it truly isn't... Good luck to all who are giving it go and let's hope any bumps in the road are taken as such and don't get used as an excuse for any abandonment of the scheme.. Who knows, maybe in a few years time the domestic titles in the UK will have credibility due to being ran 'properly' and the teams that win the comps gain some 'proper' national coverage (and financial rewards), for their endeavours, and it will be all down to having generated interest in the sport through having plenty of British world class riders dominating the sport at the highest level.. It will be a long old road, but the journey has to start somewhere... Agreed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moomin man 76 Posted January 21, 2021 Report Share Posted January 21, 2021 23 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: So six ‘future stars’ for the top league......Kemp, Rowe, Flint, Palin, Brennan, Bickley? Some pretty big assumptions that these will all be 'future stars' if these are the riders allocated to the top league... I personally can't see the likes of Bickley ever progressing beyond competent Championship performer... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted January 21, 2021 Report Share Posted January 21, 2021 27 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: So six ‘future stars’ for the top league......Kemp, Rowe, Flint, Palin, Brennan, Bickley? Thompson twins are up there as well. I agreed about the doubt with Bickley. He has plateaued in the last two years. My rider Freeman is next along with Harry McGurk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucky lee Posted January 21, 2021 Report Share Posted January 21, 2021 can,t wait for lightning Luke Harrison to get a go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enotian Posted January 21, 2021 Report Share Posted January 21, 2021 whilst I prefer to see teams allowed to build sides differently and think that the genuinely talented youngsters will progress on ability regardless this seems like a sensible thing to do in the circumstances. And I agree a strong national team is the best way of piercing main stream media. the proof will be in seeing the gradings (which will hopefully take experience and average into account) and what then happens in 2022. Presumably if for example Palin is a huge success in 2021 (i.e. averaging 7 in the PL and 9 in the CL) he no longer needs to be part of the grading structure in 2022? Otherwise there could be a huge discrepancy in team strengths at the start of 2022 and it all unravels. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted January 21, 2021 Report Share Posted January 21, 2021 3 hours ago, lisa-colette said: So according to Sky News the government scientists are advising not to open hospiliatlity til May but speedway will start at the same time! Yeah right! You’ve answered your own question there... if hospitality is due to reopen in May then surely Speedway in an outdoor environment beginning in May seems reasonable? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted January 21, 2021 Report Share Posted January 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, enotian said: whilst I prefer to see teams allowed to build sides differently and think that the genuinely talented youngsters will progress on ability regardless this seems like a sensible thing to do in the circumstances. And I agree a strong national team is the best way of piercing main stream media. the proof will be in seeing the gradings (which will hopefully take experience and average into account) and what then happens in 2022. Presumably if for example Palin is a huge success in 2021 (i.e. averaging 7 in the PL and 9 in the CL) he no longer needs to be part of the grading structure in 2022? Otherwise there could be a huge discrepancy in team strengths at the start of 2022 and it all unravels. When he rode for BV Cubs in 2019, he started the season at no7 and scored a 15 point max in his first meeting. It was only a matter of time, but he quickly got to no 1 and stayed there till the end of the season. Cracking rider with excellent support, but the Thompson twins are just a smidge behind him. In the 500cc finals last year and 2019 the regular 4 riders were Palin, Thompson twins and Freeman. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted January 21, 2021 Report Share Posted January 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Bagpuss said: So six ‘future stars’ for the top league......Kemp, Rowe, Flint, Palin, Brennan, Bickley? I’ve thought about this and I think it’s a classic case of British Speedway over complicating things. Why have all this graded nonsense? Why not just say the no.7 is designated to British U24 riders and have done with it? Teams can pick their riders to suit no matter how good or bad they do, taking the lead from Poland in this respect. The intentions are very good but the execution is just missing in my opinion. Some may argue that could open up a bidding war for the best riders but that is likely to happen even with gradings come next year. The whole grading system just opens up such unneeded debates where teams will try and screw each other over by insisting their riders should be graded lower and opposing riders graded higher... we’ve been here before with that! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enotian Posted January 21, 2021 Report Share Posted January 21, 2021 agree that the PL wouldn't appear to be what it says on the tin. it would appear to exist only to provide enough fixtures for the double up riders. league fixtures alone it's 20 PL and 32 CL one big league is only 34 in total 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillwhitewasmad Posted January 21, 2021 Report Share Posted January 21, 2021 20 minutes ago, lucky lee said: can,t wait for lightning Luke Harrison to get a go 2023 for that lad mate 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skydog Posted January 21, 2021 Report Share Posted January 21, 2021 2 hours ago, Tsunami said: Thompson twins are up there as well. I agreed about the doubt with Bickley. He has plateaued in the last two years. My rider Freeman is next along with Harry McGurk. Dan Gilkes is surely ahead of all 4 of those? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghosty Posted January 21, 2021 Report Share Posted January 21, 2021 38 minutes ago, Najjer said: I’ve thought about this and I think it’s a classic case of British Speedway over complicating things. Why have all this graded nonsense? Why not just say the no.7 is designated to British U24 riders and have done with it? Teams can pick their riders to suit no matter how good or bad they do, taking the lead from Poland in this respect. The intentions are very good but the execution is just missing in my opinion. Some may argue that could open up a bidding war for the best riders but that is likely to happen even with gradings come next year. The whole grading system just opens up such unneeded debates where teams will try and screw each other over by insisting their riders should be graded lower and opposing riders graded higher... we’ve been here before with that! Agree with you again Najjer, do you remember "Keep it simple" already long forgotten... What is needed these young guns need to have races v their apposite numbers, have a minimum of rides per meeting & a minimum £ guarantee per meeting. Now (2021) would be a great time to reintroduce second half's - not like the old style riders taking or leaving it BUT an exciting & meaningful addition to the main event, what would be the cost? riders, bikes & everything else already in place & a sponsor to finance the final. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner85 Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 (edited) Promoting the young Brits in both leagues is a great move forward. 2021 is the first step forward after the grim reeper saw off 2020. Hopefully ,this is a new start where British Speedway is run for the benefit of the Sport as opposed to promoters looking after their own individual needs. Having Eurosport on board is another boost for Speedway... in particular Speedway on Quest for a broader section of the public to watch Speedway on the TV. Cautious optimism as far as I am concerned Edited January 22, 2021 by Gunner85 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 10 hours ago, Najjer said: I’ve thought about this and I think it’s a classic case of British Speedway over complicating things. Why have all this graded nonsense? Why not just say the no.7 is designated to British U24 riders and have done with it? Teams can pick their riders to suit no matter how good or bad they do, taking the lead from Poland in this respect. The intentions are very good but the execution is just missing in my opinion. Some may argue that could open up a bidding war for the best riders but that is likely to happen even with gradings come next year. The whole grading system just opens up such unneeded debates where teams will try and screw each other over by insisting their riders should be graded lower and opposing riders graded higher... we’ve been here before with that! Dan Bewley at No7 for Belle Vue a possibility if just U24 designation used I'd say that's why it's more specific and 'regulated' 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 9 hours ago, skydog said: Dan Gilkes is surely ahead of all 4 of those? Problem is Dan didn't really do the youth rounds so gets overlooked. Obviously the next batch are already emerging Hagon, James, Harrison, Freeman etc but the production line will need to keep rolling especially if riders edge just over the base grade required and are no longer wanted. Perhaps clubs will start to take an interest and offer opportunities to emerging riders again, maybe 2nd halves will be held without riders being treated with contempt. Perhaps some level of development leagues could function, run by dedicated volunteers who genuinely have the best interests of the sport at heart.......oh wait there was one and it got crushed by the BSPL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 51 minutes ago, Richard Weston said: Have you noticed how all the reports in the Speedway Star from the AGM do NOT refer to the AGM but something like 'general council". So maybe this thread is not discussing the AGM at all. Mysterious or not? Was it not over zoom/Microsoft teams? I imagine the constitution's specific requirements mean that an AGM has to be face to face, and they can't change that requirement without a 'face to face' EGM or AGM. So not mysterious, just a matter of fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 1 hour ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Dan Bewley at No7 for Belle Vue a possibility if just U24 designation used I'd say that's why it's more specific and 'regulated' Potentially add a condition where nobody over an average of 6 or something can be included. This then begs the next question, what happens this year if say Drew Kemp rides at reserve and averages 7+? Is he just going to hung out to dry mid season like Boxall and Armstrong were when this was previously trialled? Something will need to be in place. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 13 hours ago, Bagpuss said: So six ‘future stars’ for the top league......Kemp, Rowe, Flint, Palin, Brennan, Bickley? It will be interesting if these future “stars” who ride in both Leagues have fixture clashes if the ones that have signed Polish contracts get called up for a meeting in Poland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 1 hour ago, arnieg said: Was it not over zoom/Microsoft teams? I imagine the constitution's specific requirements mean that an AGM has to be face to face, and they can't change that requirement without a 'face to face' EGM or AGM. So not mysterious, just a matter of fact. Not quite fact. To prevent the spread of COVID-19, the Government enacted the Corporate Insolvency and Governance Act 2020 on 26 June to provide temporary flexibility to companies as to how and when they hold their AGMs regardless of what is mandated under their articles of association. Under this amendment meetings are permitted to be held, and any votes cast by electronic online means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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