Sings4Speedway Posted January 21, 2021 Report Share Posted January 21, 2021 Points limit and fear that the team they have assembled could have a reserve in place with a higher star grading.....urgh star gradings whilst the average system may de a bit daft is questionable grading any better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marksman Posted January 21, 2021 Report Share Posted January 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, topaz325 said: I wonder what the response will be from Glasgow , Eastbourne.. Probably not too much, looking at it they should both be able to track their existing teams. Eastbourne definately, depends if Connor Bailey is classed as British for Glasgow. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted January 21, 2021 Report Share Posted January 21, 2021 1 minute ago, moomin man 76 said: In summary, much ado about nothing. A five year plan to promote British Youth, which they have been forced into due to rider availability, following the Polish restrictions on how many leagues a rider can participate in. Aside from that, seven man teams, blokes riding their bikes round a track four times, with a season start date of 1st May. Youth riders rather than being grateful for opportunities will now hold all the cards in terms of wage demands. No mention of NL which will likely see teams ripped apart due to the availability of the riders now required in the higher tiers. But at least the two top bods at the table have the top 3 from the youth rounds signed up already.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted January 21, 2021 Report Share Posted January 21, 2021 So the "star" ratings system means the lower the number of stars a rider is given, the higher his rating?? Or am I just confused Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringitsneck Posted January 21, 2021 Report Share Posted January 21, 2021 Are we to get to see the ‘ graded list ‘ of who gets what stars so we can all play guess the signing ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woofers Posted January 21, 2021 Report Share Posted January 21, 2021 Where are the points averages which are used for team building published please ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marksman Posted January 21, 2021 Report Share Posted January 21, 2021 6 minutes ago, woofers said: Where are the points averages which are used for team building published please ? http://www.speedwaygb.co.uk/files/downloads/c19_issue_34.pdf British riders listed get 2.5% deducted from those figures Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted January 21, 2021 Report Share Posted January 21, 2021 So they’re saying grading but really they still mean averages as a rider graded 2 cones up with a 2.00 average now anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted January 21, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Marksman said: http://www.speedwaygb.co.uk/files/downloads/c19_issue_34.pdf British riders listed get 2.5% deducted from those figures Assuming thats still the case? And assuming they stick with the final 2019 averages for 2021 team building? Edited January 21, 2021 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted January 21, 2021 Report Share Posted January 21, 2021 Great news re bringing on the young riders.. A successful GB team will deliver miles more coverage, publicity and therefore awareness of the sport, than any individual team success ever could.. 5 years though is a long time, and we have had plans of this length before.. So let's hope this time they stay solidly behind the plan.. Although, given some of the people now involved, I think we can have a bit more confidence that such a plan will now get carried through... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woofers Posted January 21, 2021 Report Share Posted January 21, 2021 Are the terms ‘rising stars’ and ‘youngsters’ defined anywhere? Who determines the ‘rising stars’ grading, is it fixed at the start the year, or can it change throughout the year ? What happens if said rider is unavailable for whatever reason, presumably a similarly graded replacement ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedtiger Posted January 21, 2021 Report Share Posted January 21, 2021 This is a good move and will encourage and benefit the young up and coming riders. It’s not an original concept as a similar thing has been done before. Will it improve the speedway product and put more bums on seats? I very much doubt it. I fully appreciate the BSPL PR has to be positive and optimistic but inevitable this underwhelming announcement will not have much impact on making the sport sustainable and saving clubs and promotors from going bust! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted January 21, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, woofers said: Are the terms ‘rising stars’ and ‘youngsters’ defined anywhere? Who determines the ‘rising stars’ grading, is it fixed at the start the year, or can it change throughout the year ? What happens if said rider is unavailable for whatever reason, presumably a similarly graded replacement ? I would assume Neil Vatcher will be heavily involved in the respective 'star rating' of the riders and will presumably already have had some conversation with the riders as to who can ride when and where?1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted January 21, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, Speedtiger said: This is a good move and will encourage and benefit the young up and coming riders. It’s not an original concept as a similar thing has been done before. Will it improve the speedway product and put more bums on seats? I very much doubt it. I fully appreciate the BSPL PR has to be positive and optimistic but inevitable this underwhelming announcement will not have much impact on making the sport sustainable and saving clubs and promotors from going bust! If Eurosport are fully behind it - as they claim - then it should help all clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedtiger Posted January 21, 2021 Report Share Posted January 21, 2021 Just now, Skidder1 said: If Eurosport are fully behind it - as they claim - then it should help all clubs. Maybe yes but not sure what being “fully behind” it is? No details, nothing defined. No plan. Just words! NB. TV deals do not bring in fans...they want armchair viewers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromtheback Posted January 21, 2021 Report Share Posted January 21, 2021 (edited) NO AGE LIMIT ON SO CALLED "RISING STARS AND YOUNGSTERS" WTF Edited January 21, 2021 by Fromtheback Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted January 21, 2021 Report Share Posted January 21, 2021 So we had to wait over a week because the BSPL had a big announcement to make via their media partners Eurosport... who managed to muster up a paragraph and a half in that time? Talk about an anti climax. Was hoping for some form of streaming service to be announced as had been rumoured but nothing of the sort. It’s good news that British Youth riders are now being a minimum requirement in every team though, that’s a good move. I just hope that teams don’t now try and wrangle it to end up with dodgy Australian’s at reserve who has a long lost auntie with British heritage and sneak in that way. Likewise, I hope they don’t sack it off mid season like they did with this exact same process about 15 years ago, when Boxall and Armstrong (god knows why he was included from the beginning but that’s another story) performed above what was expected and were forced into the main body of each team. If teams pick up some young riders who are blinders and perform above the expected then that is only great news and they shouldn’t be punished for it. The next argument will come next year when teams want certain riders downgraded to fit into their team or opposing riders upgraded... we can only hope not! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted January 21, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2021 Why does anyone need to know about streaming until at least mid-April? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromtheback Posted January 21, 2021 Report Share Posted January 21, 2021 9 minutes ago, Najjer said: So we had to wait over a week because the BSPL had a big announcement to make via their media partners Eurosport... who managed to muster up a paragraph and a half in that time? Talk about an anti climax. Was hoping for some form of streaming service to be announced as had been rumoured but nothing of the sort. It’s good news that British Youth riders are now being a minimum requirement in every team though, that’s a good move. I just hope that teams don’t now try and wrangle it to end up with dodgy Australian’s at reserve who has a long lost auntie with British heritage and sneak in that way. Likewise, I hope they don’t sack it off mid season like they did with this exact same process about 15 years ago, when Boxall and Armstrong (god knows why he was included from the beginning but that’s another story) performed above what was expected and were forced into the main body of each team. If teams pick up some young riders who are blinders and perform above the expected then that is only great news and they shouldn’t be punished for it. The next argument will come next year when teams want certain riders downgraded to fit into their team or opposing riders upgraded... we can only hope not! NO AGE LIMIT ON SO CALLED "RISING STARS AND YOUNGSTERS" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted January 21, 2021 Report Share Posted January 21, 2021 Ooh. A five year plan. How exciting. Am I the only person seeing deja vu here? Points limit of 35.5 plus what will effectively be a three pointer, yes? So a points limit of 38.5 for the top league of 6 teams? Are people actually approving of this? How did things go last time they put points limits in the thirties into operation? Crowds pretty much halved. Now they are doing it again. What happened before when they did the 2 point junior in every side rule? They scrapped it after a year because they riders couldn't keep up. I guess it depends on the level of the gradings for British youngsters and who are included, but this will please those who want to watch grass roots speedway and everyone else will continue drifting away like they did before. Also there is one less team in the Premiership this year to what there was in 2019, so it is an even bigger drop in points limit than it looks. To be honest, I don't even see the point of having a six team Premiership of this standard. Why bother? Why not just have one league of Championship standard and have done with it. There seems little to gain from being a top flight team under this system. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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