Lambert v Jack Holder v other top young riders

[Daniel Smith]

11 hours ago, Ben91 said:

Age has no bearing on when a rider reaches their peak. Holder seems a different rider this year so far but whether he can keep it up remains to be seen.

I think Lambert is the better rider now and has the higher ceiling potentially but he needs to get his starts sorted out to mix it on the GP stage. I half expect us to be on the cusp of a Zmarzlik era however, and for any other rider to get much change out of him could be tricky.  

I know age has no bearing in general but between these two it does. Holder has been around the Polish league longer + having his brother beside him, plus Monster backing all at Torun so should be more experienced & ahead of Lambert. 

[Ben91]

16 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said:

I know age has no bearing in general but between these two it does. Holder has been around the Polish league longer + having his brother beside him, plus Monster backing all at Torun so should be more experienced & ahead of Lambert. 

Again, those things mean little. More experience and better backing doesn’t mean better on track. Just in the same way that one day things could just click for a very experienced rider who isn’t a top level performer and they could really kick on, look at Leon Madsen and Jason Doyle. 

[IainB]

22 hours ago, Ben91 said:

Again, those things mean little. More experience and better backing doesn’t mean better on track. Just in the same way that one day things could just click for a very experienced rider who isn’t a top level performer and they could really kick on, look at Leon Madsen and Jason Doyle. 

I disagree... I think all these things build a rider, they don't just suddenly become good overnight due to luck. There would be many factors involved in Doyle and Madsen becoming world class. Dedication, sacrifice and mental strength appear to be big deciders on whether a rider is going to "make it"

[chunky]

8 hours ago, iainb said:

I disagree... I think all these things build a rider,

They CAN, but it doesn't mean they DO.

You say that having backing and family DOES help, but a lot of the time it means nothing. Having successful family members in the sport can actually hinder you because of the pressure and expectations. Having followed a famous father into a sport, I can speak from experience. Anyway, what did family do for Steven Collins, John Grahame, Kym Mauger, etc?

Dedication and desire is far more important, but it really comes down to mental strength and CONFIDENCE.

[IainB]

57 minutes ago, chunky said:

They CAN, but it doesn't mean they DO.

You say that having backing and family DOES help, but a lot of the time it means nothing. Having successful family members in the sport can actually hinder you because of the pressure and expectations. Having followed a famous father into a sport, I can speak from experience. Anyway, what did family do for Steven Collins, John Grahame, Kym Mauger, etc?

Dedication and desire is far more important, but it really comes down to mental strength and CONFIDENCE.

I don't think there's one recipe to build a great rider is there... Or else everybody would do it and be great

[chunky]

3 minutes ago, iainb said:

I don't think there's one recipe to build a great rider is there... Or else everybody would do it and be great

That's my point!

[spin king]

When Jack Holder sign for Sheffield for this season, I was a little disappointed as I would have preferred Brady Kurtz.

But following and looking at the Aussie Championships he did really well, and too be honest I please that we signed him, and had a feeling that he could have took the number 1 slot off Nicki Pedersen.

Something seems to have clicked with him and at present I would put him in the top 2 or 3 Aussie riders.

Robert Lambert is an excellent  prospect who I think could well take the top GB spot off Tai Woffinden who I think over the last couple of years lost a bit of the edge in his racing.

One of the things that gave Robert a big advantage was that he was riding abroad at a very young age, and I think that this had a massive aid to his development as a rider, and I think a young rider wants a blueprint of the best way to develop I would look at the way Robert has done things and try and follow wherever possible.

I would put Robert Lambert in front of Jack Holder at the present, but I don't think that Jack is that far behind him.  

[Triple.H.]

1 hour ago, spin king said:

When Jack Holder sign for Sheffield for this season, I was a little disappointed as I would have preferred Brady Kurtz.

But following and looking at the Aussie Championships he did really well, and too be honest I please that we signed him, and had a feeling that he could have took the number 1 slot off Nicki Pedersen.

Something seems to have clicked with him and at present I would put him in the top 2 or 3 Aussie riders.

Robert Lambert is an excellent  prospect who I think could well take the top GB spot off Tai Woffinden who I think over the last couple of years lost a bit of the edge in his racing.

One of the things that gave Robert a big advantage was that he was riding abroad at a very young age, and I think that this had a massive aid to his development as a rider, and I think a young rider wants a blueprint of the best way to develop I would look at the way Robert has done things and try and follow wherever possible.

I would put Robert Lambert in front of Jack Holder at the present, but I don't think that Jack is that far behind him.  

I you would have been more than a little disappointed if Sheffield had signed the other J.Holder

[GWC]

Lambert is ahead of the other Aussies and some Poles already. Who would have given him a chance at winning the SEC so early in his career.

I don’t know why he doesn’t have a proper team place as he’s better than the majority in the Rybnic team from what I’ve seen.

Frick is going backwards for some reason and Kurtz is so inconsistent and a bit overrated.

Mind it’s a strange season so maybe it affects some riders more than others.

Edited August 21, 2020 by GWC

[Ben91]

50 minutes ago, GWC said:

Lambert is ahead of the other Aussies and some Poles already. Who would have given him a chance at winning the SEC so early in his career.

I don’t know why he doesn’t have a proper team place as he’s better than the majority in the Rybnic team from what I’ve seen.

Frick is going backwards for some reason and Kurtz is so inconsistent and a bit overrated.

Mind it’s a strange season so maybe it affects some riders more than others.

It works in Rybnik’s favour having Lambert as their number eight as within reason they can put him in as and when they want to. 

I think Fricke is another who is over rated but who knows what the next few years could hold for him. 

[IainB]

After last nights performance maybe the topic should be changed to Lambert vs Lidsey. Lidsey seems to be making greater strides that Holder, Fricke seems to have levelled off a bit this year

[Fromafar]

3 hours ago, iainb said:

After last nights performance maybe the topic should be changed to Lambert vs Lidsey. Lidsey seems to be making greater strides that Holder, Fricke seems to have levelled off a bit this year

Lidsey is a talent.

[IainB]

5 minutes ago, Fromafar said:

Lidsey is a talent.

He's a strange one for me because whenever I watch him I just can't see anything special... You can't argue with his results though.

Didn't he start in Poland before coming to the UK?

Edited August 22, 2020 by iainb

[Fromafar]

He raced in Poland in 2018 because he couldn’t get a visa for UK.He is not afraid to get stuck in, like all riders you need that little bit of luck to stay away from major injuries.I like the way he rides.