Bagpuss Posted September 16, 2020 Report Share Posted September 16, 2020 I’m not sure we should be criticising any rider for not wanting to compete in a one off meeting in late September, whether that be their first one of the year or because they have commitments elsewhere..... this is an exceptional year and if anybody wants to write the season off for whatever reason that’s fair enough. In terms if the cost somebody mentioned about splitting it between three or four people.....that’s a fair point and the fact that I’d probably watch and therefore pay for it in my own makes it a non starter. Might change my mind on the day if I really fancy it but unlikely Ud have thought, would have been more inclined at £9.99 for example. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hacksaw Jim Duggan Posted September 16, 2020 Report Share Posted September 16, 2020 12 minutes ago, Racin Jason 72 said: Bang on the money !!! The same riders who whinged about not racing then decline the first opportunity. One claimed he didn’t have time to prepare !!!!!! And the same fans would moan if the riders turned up and didn't look prepared... 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted September 16, 2020 Report Share Posted September 16, 2020 12 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: I’m not sure we should be criticising any rider for not wanting to compete in a one off meeting in late September, whether that be their first one of the year or because they have commitments elsewhere..... this is an exceptional year and if anybody wants to write the season off for whatever reason that’s fair enough. I wasnt being critical of the choice as such just making the observation about the differing approach and potential link to level of achievement In my own life for example I am certainly more the journeyman than the world champ and happier for it!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted September 16, 2020 Report Share Posted September 16, 2020 Blimey, so a legend in the shape of Jason Crump is announced and some are still moaning 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted September 16, 2020 Report Share Posted September 16, 2020 1 minute ago, lucifer sam said: Blimey, so a legend in the shape of Jason Crump is announced and some are still moaning If there was no moaning on this forum, Rob, it would have to close down through lack of contributions. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted September 16, 2020 Report Share Posted September 16, 2020 (edited) Anyway, just to summarise what a few seem to be missing: There’s a very rich heritage of Commonwealth riders in the British Final. From 1961 to 1974, it was, in effect, the British Commonwealth Final. Barry Briggs and Ivan Mauger won 10 out of the 14 championships from this era – with Peter Craven, Ray Wilson and Eric Boocock winning the other four. Briggo, Ivan and all weren’t considered to be foreign, but considered to the British. They rode for Great Britain in the World Team Cup – the 1971 winning squad considered of World Cup Willie, one Australian and three New Zealanders. Briggo even twice finished second in the BBC British Sports Personality Of The Year in 1964 and 1966 – he was considered eligible for the main award because he rode for Britain. British riders (and indeed from other nationalities) have competed in the Australian and New Championships over the years. Joe Screen finished third in the Australian Final as recently as 2008. Dan Bewley is the current South Australian state champion. Jason Bunyan holds a record 10 New Zealand Championships, and Andrew Appleton and James Sarjeant have also won it during the 21st century. As far as I know, none of these riders had dual nationality. Again, as far as I know, Rory Schlein, Jason Crump and Troy Batchelor all hold dual nationality. Jason Crump is a three-time World Champion and his presence adds quality to any line-up. Several leading British riders have turned down the 2020 British Final, and punters deserve a line-up worthy of their £20. Arguably the presence of the legendary Crump alone is worth £20. This is a rather unique year. Edited September 16, 2020 by lucifer sam 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted September 16, 2020 Report Share Posted September 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, lucifer sam said: Anyway, just to summarise what a few seem to be missing: There’s a very rich heritage of Commonwealth riders in the British Final. From 1961 to 1974, it was, in effect, the British Commonwealth Final. Barry Briggs and Ivan Mauger won 10 out of the 14 championships from this era – with Peter Craven, Ray Wilson and Eric Boocock winning the other four. Briggo, Ivan and all weren’t considered to be foreign, but considered to the British. They rode for Great Britain in the World Team Cup – the 1971 winning squad considered of World Cup Willie, one Australian and three New Zealanders. Briggo even twice finished second in the BBC British Sports Personality Of The Year in 1964 and 1966 – he was considered eligible for the main award because he rode for Britain. British riders (and indeed from other nationalities) have competed in the Australian and New Championships over the years. Joe Screen finished third in the Australian Final as recently as 2008. Dan Bewley is the current South Australian state champion. Jason Bunyan holds a record 10 New Zealand Championships, and Andrew Appleton and James Sarjeant have also won it during the 21st century. As far as I know, none of these riders had dual nationality. Again, as far as I know, Rory Schlein, Jason Crump and Troy Batchelor all hold dual nationality. Jason Crump is a three-time World Champion and his presence adds quality to any line-up. Several leading British riders have turned down the 2020 British Final, and punters deserve a line-up worthy of their £20. Arguably the presence of the legendary Crump alone is worth £20. This is a rather unique year. Totally agree, but looking at a lot of the posts online I fear you are wasting your time. I say let those who want to watch enjoy it and the others can carry on mumbling into their coffee about how three British citizens aren't properly British and it should be National League riders. I see the Belle Vue meeting is also now for sale to watch online at a tenner. I hope this is successful and could be something worth considering next year. I'd certainly pay to watch a few Swindon matches online. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted September 16, 2020 Report Share Posted September 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, lucifer sam said: Anyway, just to summarise what a few seem to be missing: There’s a very rich heritage of Commonwealth riders in the British Final. From 1961 to 1974, it was, in effect, the British Commonwealth Final. Barry Briggs and Ivan Mauger won 10 out of the 14 championships from this era – with Peter Craven, Ray Wilson and Eric Boocock winning the other four. Briggo, Ivan and all weren’t considered to be foreign, but considered to the British. They rode for Great Britain in the World Team Cup – the 1971 winning squad considered of World Cup Willie, one Australian and three New Zealanders. Briggo even twice finished second in the BBC British Sports Personality Of The Year in 1964 and 1966 – he was considered eligible for the main award because he rode for Britain. British riders (and indeed from other nationalities) have competed in the Australian and New Championships over the years. Joe Screen finished third in the Australian Final as recently as 2008. Dan Bewley is the current South Australian state champion. Jason Bunyan holds a record 10 New Zealand Championships, and Andrew Appleton and James Sarjeant have also won it during the 21st century. As far as I know, none of these riders had dual nationality. Again, as far as I know, Rory Schlein, Jason Crump and Troy Batchelor all hold dual nationality. Jason Crump is a three-time World Champion and his presence adds quality to any line-up. Several leading British riders have turned down the 2020 British Final, and punters deserve a line-up worthy of their £20. Arguably the presence of the legendary Crump alone is worth £20. This is a rather unique year. While I accept your points, my gripe with it is that I have yet to see anyone in the line-up who is a worthy national champion. I know there's a former champion and he's a nice lad and there are some who previously wouldn't have been eligible but none of them is anything other than on the downward stretch. It's really just an open meeting and seemingly anyone with a bike is being considered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 16, 2020 Report Share Posted September 16, 2020 I have followed the debate with interest. Sadly there does not appear to be a resolution from Posters. However, an 'elderly Crystal Palace area poster' will not be devoting any major attention to the meeting. As an aside, for how many seasons has this championship been staged and is there a winners' tabulation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted September 16, 2020 Report Share Posted September 16, 2020 This is, as people have said many times, the biggest disruption to our lifestyle since World War II. During the Second World War, the British Championships were won 3 times by a Canadian. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted September 16, 2020 Report Share Posted September 16, 2020 11 hours ago, Fozzie4388 said: British #speedway final line-up Jason Crump Rory Schlein Ryan Sullivan Todd Wiltshire Joel Parsons Troy Batchelor Josh Grajczonek Ty Proctor Taylor Poole Mick Poole Craig Boyce Mark Lemon Jason Lyons Cameron Woodward Shane Parker Davey Watt Updates via @SpeedwayUpdates What about Jake Allen or Cameron Heeps on their home track or have they not been asked? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted September 16, 2020 Report Share Posted September 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, IronScorpion said: What about Jake Allen or Cameron Heeps on their home track or have they not been asked? Wouldn't surprise me if Cam was included..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzie4388 Posted September 16, 2020 Report Share Posted September 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, IronScorpion said: What about Jake Allen or Cameron Heeps on their home track or have they not been asked? No point Jake taking part he'd walk it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Blue Posted September 16, 2020 Report Share Posted September 16, 2020 (edited) Personally I don't really care who's in the meeting, I just want to be there to see some live speedway and that's just what I'm going to do weather permitting. We always that knew once it was given the go ahead that there would be some significant absentees. Let's be honest it was only ever going to be a token title with nothing much to be gained. Lambert, already in GP's next year, probably not interested. Cook, lame excuse and a pussy anyway. Ellis, injured, I'm sure he would have been there though. Just to name but a few. Edited September 16, 2020 by Super Blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted September 16, 2020 Report Share Posted September 16, 2020 With the list that Fozzie produced, I'm surprised he missed them out. 1 minute ago, Fozzie4388 said: No point Jake taking part he'd walk it. Head & shoulders above everyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted September 16, 2020 Report Share Posted September 16, 2020 No Chris Holder, gutted! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cheese Posted September 16, 2020 Report Share Posted September 16, 2020 If there's a few Australians riding then maybe Woffinden will be interested this year Just testing my bait! 2 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted September 16, 2020 Report Share Posted September 16, 2020 21 minutes ago, The Cheese said: If there's a few Australians riding then maybe Woffinden will be interested this year Just testing my bait! That's the thing, isn't it! Woffinden - grows up in Australia, chooses to ride for Team GB, and people say he is Australian. Crump - grows up in England, choose to ride for Australia, and people say he is Australian. Anyone else notice a slight inconsistency there? 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted September 16, 2020 Report Share Posted September 16, 2020 Can't believe people are moaning about Crump being in. ... he's travelled half way round the world to participate in the championship of his country of birth. Whereas certain others can't be bothered to travel down the M1 or round the M25. Actually could even said that 1 won't be there even though he was born within a couple miles of stadium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefty Posted September 16, 2020 Report Share Posted September 16, 2020 15 minutes ago, Grachan said: That's the thing, isn't it! Woffinden - grows up in Australia, chooses to ride for Team GB, and people say he is Australian. Crump - grows up in England, choose to ride for Australia, and people say he is Australian. Anyone else notice a slight inconsistency there? It's a bit like understanding women... you need to be able to separate your "'Bristol's" from your "Scunthorpe's".... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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