steve roberts Posted August 13, 2020 Report Share Posted August 13, 2020 1 hour ago, JamesHarris said: Thats a carbon copy of the 1977 White City race jacket. Way back in 2000 I always thought the "rebels" nickname was a reference to the Duke of Monmouth's rebellion and the following battle of Sedgemoor in 1688 but if you look into the rebellion and what happened to the Duke and his followers you would hardly want to celebrate it. I don't have any issue with the Confederate flag or "Old Dixie". Anyone that takes offence at it or thinks that it is racist needs to get back to the holes they came from. As a City "Rebels" fan I've looked at the Somerset jacket and thought that something wasn't quite right and then it clicked...the rider depicted is facing the other way! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted August 13, 2020 Report Share Posted August 13, 2020 On 7/27/2020 at 6:57 PM, bruno said: Imagine if speedway crowds took the knee, most would never get back up again 24 likes and laughs .. made me crack up . got to be the post of the year . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefty Posted August 13, 2020 Report Share Posted August 13, 2020 31 minutes ago, orion said: 24 likes and laughs .. made me crack up . got to be the post of the year . It would have been 25 but Bruno is a Cradley fan 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddi Posted August 13, 2020 Report Share Posted August 13, 2020 4 hours ago, JamesHarris said: Thats a carbon copy of the 1977 White City race jacket. Way back in 2000 I always thought the "rebels" nickname was a reference to the Duke of Monmouth's rebellion and the following battle of Sedgemoor in 1688 but if you look into the rebellion and what happened to the Duke and his followers you would hardly want to celebrate it. I don't have any issue with the Confederate flag or "Old Dixie". Anyone that takes offence at it or thinks that it is racist needs to get back to the holes they came from. The Confederate flag was used to represent those people who agreed and fought to keep slavery in America. It is still used today by white supremacist groups who wish to treat people who are not white as unequal second class human beings so I for one do have an issue with the use of this flag. Times have changed and we need to treat all people with respect. The European equivalent of the Confederate Flag is the Nazi swastika. Is it ok to fly Nazi flags at speedway meetings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted August 13, 2020 Report Share Posted August 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Paddi said: Times have changed and we need to treat all people with respect. certainly doesn't seem to be any from certain politicians that like to play the race card at every opportunity 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 13 hours ago, steve roberts said: As a City "Rebels" fan I've looked at the Somerset jacket and thought that something wasn't quite right and then it clicked...the rider depicted is facing the other way! I can't see it... doesn't it matter which side of the rider you are standing? My brain can't take it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 17 minutes ago, iainb said: I can't see it... doesn't it matter which side of the rider you are standing? My brain can't take it I thought that they had just lifted the White City jacket but they had the rider facing the other way...like you it seemed an odd choice for a race jacket for Somerset although I'm not questioning the nickname. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, steve roberts said: I thought that they had just lifted the White City jacket but they had the rider facing the other way...like you it seemed an odd choice for a race jacket for Somerset although I'm not questioning the nickname. Oh... I get it now, the rider from Somerset is going from left to right, White City right to left. And it looks like the rider is dressed as a confederate soldier... http://www.defunctspeedway.co.uk/London White City.htm Edited August 14, 2020 by iainb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 7 minutes ago, iainb said: Oh... I get it now, the rider from Somerset is going from left to right, White City right to left. And it looks like the rider is dressed as a confederate soldier... http://www.defunctspeedway.co.uk/London White City.htm Perhaps it was a copyright issue! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesHarris Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 12 hours ago, Paddi said: The Confederate flag was used to represent those people who agreed and fought to keep slavery in America. It is still used today by white supremacist groups who wish to treat people who are not white as unequal second class human beings so I for one do have an issue with the use of this flag. Times have changed and we need to treat all people with respect. The European equivalent of the Confederate Flag is the Nazi swastika. Is it ok to fly Nazi flags at speedway meetings? What utter nonsense. You have fallen for the leftie propaganda by the sound of it. Old Dixie is a part of Southern heritage. To compare it to the Nazi swastika is both pathetic and ignorant. The only people the flag offends is snowflakes. I once talked to a black American on holiday who was from Alabama. I asked him about the Confederate flag and his reply was it was part of southern heritage and he even had one on his porch (the BBC would never tell you that). I was actually amazed at that but he told me the only people who have an issue with it are Liberals with an agenda. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 8 minutes ago, JamesHarris said: What utter nonsense. You have fallen for the leftie propaganda by the sound of it. Old Dixie is a part of Southern heritage. To compare it to the Nazi swastika is both pathetic and ignorant. The only people the flag offends is snowflakes. I once talked to a black American on holiday who was from Alabama. I asked him about the Confederate flag and his reply was it was part of southern heritage and he even had one on his porch (the BBC would never tell you that). I was actually amazed at that but he told me the only people who have an issue with it are Liberals with an agenda. The swastika was originally a religious symbol. Things can change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesHarris Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Ben91 said: The swastika was originally a religious symbol. Things can change. And still is. You will see it everywhere in most Hindu and Buddhist countries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 (edited) 18 hours ago, Paddi said: The Confederate flag was used to represent those people who agreed and fought to keep slavery in America. It is still used today by white supremacist groups who wish to treat people who are not white as unequal second class human beings so I for one do have an issue with the use of this flag. Times have changed and we need to treat all people with respect. The European equivalent of the Confederate Flag is the Nazi swastika. Is it ok to fly Nazi flags at speedway meetings? Your avtar is one of Hull Vikings. Slavery was an important part of the Norse economy I those times. Similarly, are we going to ban Poole Pirates because the Barbary Pirates were slave traders ? How far are these analogies going to go ?These are Speedway teams for goodness sake not political rallies. People’s political , religious or racial outlooks are not governed by which speedway team they support. Edited August 14, 2020 by E I Addio 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, JamesHarris said: And still is. You will see it everywhere in most Hindu and Buddhist countries. Indeed. The connotations in the west have changed however since the Nazi party picked it up. I think the main issue here is more people getting offended on behalf of other people than anything else. Somerset made a smart business move because some people will be offended or complain about it because they need to have something to complain about. Whatever way you want to look at it they’ve saved themselves potential criticism and a headache. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesHarris Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 21 minutes ago, E I Addio said: Your avtar is one of Hull Vikings. Slavery was an important part of the Norse economy I those times. Similarly, are we going to ban Poole Pirates because the Barbary Pirates were slave traders ? How far are these analogies going to go ?These are Speedway teams for goodness sake not political rallies. People’s political , religious or racial outlooks are governed by which speedway team they support. Spot on mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 17 hours ago, Lefty said: It would have been 25 but Bruno is a Cradley fan I did follow the Wolves from late 90s till 2009, home and away as well. In 2009 after losing at Swindon I came out the stadium really annoyed and realised I'd turned into a wolf. Then it was announced we were back so I was saved or so I thought. I still went to watch Wolves while we were back and now we've gone again what's going to happen to me . Hoowwwwellllll. Oh god here we go again 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddi Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 11 hours ago, JamesHarris said: What utter nonsense. You have fallen for the leftie propaganda by the sound of it. Old Dixie is a part of Southern heritage. To compare it to the Nazi swastika is both pathetic and ignorant. The only people the flag offends is snowflakes. I once talked to a black American on holiday who was from Alabama. I asked him about the Confederate flag and his reply was it was part of southern heritage and he even had one on his porch (the BBC would never tell you that). I was actually amazed at that but he told me the only people who have an issue with it are Liberals with an agenda. One token black man does not necessarily represent the views of 47 million black americans! It is neither pathetic or ignorant to compare flags. The far right in Germany even today claim that they should fly swastikas because it it is their heritage. Calling people out just because they have expressed an opinion which is different to yours does not exactly make you or your opinion any better. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted August 15, 2020 Report Share Posted August 15, 2020 13 hours ago, Ben91 said: The swastika was originally a religious symbol. Things can change. And still is, the Germans just turned it around and pointed it the other way 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted August 15, 2020 Report Share Posted August 15, 2020 8 hours ago, The Third Man said: And still is, the Germans just turned it around and pointed it the other way Don't mention the war... I mentioned it once but I think I got away with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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