mikebv Posted July 30, 2020 Report Share Posted July 30, 2020 1 hour ago, iainb said: Isn't that how Sam Ermolenko pronounces Woryna? Polish Comms tonight calling him "Vorina" during his races.. Hopefully that will do... And to be fair, Sam used that pronunciation most of the time last night.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMX Events Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 If Sam uses “Vorina” it likely be that he asked Kacper the correct pronunciation .... I do this routinely at Poole so I can use what the rider tells me when I introduce them. I regard it as a matter of respect. I always pronounced it this way, after checking it out, but was frequently questioned.. My advice was always the same, “ask him yourself” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 39 minutes ago, MMX Events said: If Sam uses “Vorina” it likely be that he asked Kacper the correct pronunciation .... I do this routinely at Poole so I can use what the rider tells me when I introduce them. I regard it as a matter of respect. I always pronounced it this way, after checking it out, but was frequently questioned.. My advice was always the same, “ask him yourself” ... And what about when he uses "Veroni", "Varoynie" or "Veranda"... in the same race? Has Kacpker been joshing about with him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 (edited) On 7/30/2020 at 6:32 PM, iainb said: Yes they have haven't they, for a dragon, yet they still call themselves Rebels? Is there a connection between Rebels and Dragons? Certainly more connection with Somerset than the Confederate Flag. The Wyvern is the official flag of Somerset. The Rebels is relevant because of the Battle of Sedgemoor, which took place near Bridgewater in 1685, which was part of the Monmouth Rebellion. It's actually one of the few nicknames and logos in speedway that are truly locally relevant. Edited August 3, 2020 by Grachan 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 On 7/30/2020 at 3:10 PM, Skodaman said: Somerset have already dropped their logo. I always thought it odd that they adopted the Confederate flag when the significance of "Rebels" in Somerset historically is very different? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*JJ Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 41 minutes ago, Grachan said: Certainly more connection with Somerset than the Confederate Flag. The Wyvern is the official flag of Somerset. The Rebels is relevant because of the Battle of Sedgemoor, which took place near Bridgewater in 1685, which was part of the Monmouth Rebellion. It's actually one of the few nicknames and logos in speedway that are truly locally relevant. This includes Birmingham! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 49 minutes ago, Grachan said: The Rebels is relevant because of the Battle of Sedgemoor, which took place near Bridgewater in 1685, which was part of the Monmouth Rebellion. It's actually one of the few nicknames and logos in speedway that are truly locally relevant. Almost sounds like you're retrospectively trying to make the story fit the club name... I must admit I missed the press release explaining the change of logo though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, iainb said: Almost sounds like you're retrospectively trying to make the story fit the club name... I must admit I missed the press release explaining the change of logo though It still fits though. Westonzoyland is just 10 miles from Highbridge. Are you suggesting that the Somerset promotion had absolutely no knowledge of this and it is just coincidence? The Battle of Sedgemoor was the last and decisive engagement between the Kingdom of England and rebels led by the Duke of Monmouth during the Monmouth rebellion, fought on 6 July 1685,[1] and took place at Westonzoyland near Bridgwater in Somerset, England, resulting in a victory for the English army. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Sedgemoor#:~:text=The Battle of Sedgemoor was,victory for the English army. Edited August 3, 2020 by Grachan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 51 minutes ago, Grachan said: It still fits though. Westonzoyland is just 10 miles from Highbridge. Are you suggesting that the Somerset promotion had absolutely no knowledge of this and it is just coincidence? The Battle of Sedgemoor was the last and decisive engagement between the Kingdom of England and rebels led by the Duke of Monmouth during the Monmouth rebellion, fought on 6 July 1685,[1] and took place at Westonzoyland near Bridgwater in Somerset, England, resulting in a victory for the English army. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Sedgemoor#:~:text=The Battle of Sedgemoor was,victory for the English army. ... and that's why they're called the rebels? I believe you... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 19 minutes ago, iainb said: ... and that's why they're called the rebels? I believe you... No, you're right. The fact that the Rebels fought in the Battle of Sedgemoor and had a Wyvern on their flag and their speedway team is called The Rebels and has a Wyvern for a logo is clearly just a coincidence. My mistake. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 16 minutes ago, Grachan said: No, you're right. The fact that the Rebels fought in the Battle of Sedgemoor and had a Wyvern on their flag and their speedway team is called The Rebels and has a Wyvern for a logo is clearly just a coincidence. My mistake. Why originally use the American Confederate flag as a logo then? Was that the flag flown at the battle of Sedgemoor by the rebels? Please explain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 42 minutes ago, iainb said: Why originally use the American Confederate flag as a logo then? Was that the flag flown at the battle of Sedgemoor by the rebels? Please explain. ...they stole the image from Oxford/White City! I maybe incorrect but did the first Somerset jacket look exactly like the White City version with a confederate soldier pulling a wheelie with the flag as a backdrop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 3 hours ago, steve roberts said: ...they stole the image from Oxford/White City! I maybe incorrect but did the first Somerset jacket look exactly like the White City version with a confederate soldier pulling a wheelie with the flag as a backdrop? The commemorative battle of Sedgemoor race jacket 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 8 hours ago, iainb said: Why originally use the American Confederate flag as a logo then? Was that the flag flown at the battle of Sedgemoor by the rebels? Please explain. Speedway continuity. Not hard to work out really. The Rebels nickname in the past used the Conferderate flag so they stuck with that at first. The same as Reading Racers did with the Harringay Racers logo, for example. Later, they changed it to a more locally appropriate image after dropping the confederate flag. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 17 minutes ago, Grachan said: Speedway continuity. Not hard to work out really. The Rebels nickname in the past used the Conferderate flag so they stuck with that at first. The same as Reading Racers did with the Harringay Racers logo, for example. Later, they changed it to a more locally appropriate image after dropping the confederate flag. ...They nicked the City "Rebels" design! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Skid Posted August 5, 2020 Report Share Posted August 5, 2020 Didn't the flag originate from the General Lee on the Dukes of Hazzard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted August 5, 2020 Report Share Posted August 5, 2020 Don’t think so. Weren’t Oxford the Rebels in early 1970’s and the tv programme came along some years after? After even White City had come and gone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted August 5, 2020 Report Share Posted August 5, 2020 3 hours ago, iris123 said: Don’t think so. Weren’t Oxford the Rebels in early 1970’s and the tv programme came along some years after? After even White City had come and gone Sure were! Dave Lanning was brought in to create a new image at Cowley (1972) and one such move was to adopt the name "Rebels" which when the promotion re-located to Wood Lane the moniker went with them (1976 - 78) whilst Oxford reverted back to their original name of "Cheetahs". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spl77 Posted August 10, 2020 Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 On 8/5/2020 at 10:45 AM, Lord Skid said: Didn't the flag originate from the General Lee on the Dukes of Hazzard Repeats of the Dukes of Hazzard won't be the same with the flag air brushed out :-) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted August 10, 2020 Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 52 minutes ago, Spl77 said: Repeats of the Dukes of Hazzard won't be the same with the flag air brushed out :-) No the flag on top of the car is to commemorate the battle of Sedgemoor in Somerset, when the rebels defeated General Lee, coincidentally the name of a general also fighting in the american civil war... everybody knows that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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