uk_martin Posted July 27, 2020 Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 If football is anything to go by, all matches are being preceded by the "taking of the knee". Formula 1 is following suite. If there are any meeting that are going to take place this year (Oct, maybe?) then will there be a requirement for speedway riders to take the knee too? Or haven't the authorities who say that they spend 24 hours a day, 7 days a week planning for the resumption of speedway in Britain, thought about this yet? Because if there's one thing that's for sure, just as in F1, speedway in this country is a sport that definitely needs to address the matter of equality and diversity. F1 has announced that it's going to address the problem, will speedway follow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Grachan Posted July 27, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, uk_martin said: If football is anything to go by, all matches are being preceded by the "taking of the knee". Formula 1 is following suite. If there are any meeting that are going to take place this year (Oct, maybe?) then will there be a requirement for speedway riders to take the knee too? Or haven't the authorities who say that they spend 24 hours a day, 7 days a week planning for the resumption of speedway in Britain, thought about this yet? Because if there's one thing that's for sure, just as in F1, speedway in this country is a sport that definitely needs to address the matter of equality and diversity. F1 has announced that it's going to address the problem, will speedway follow? I'm interested to know why you feel it is an issue that speedway in this country needs to address. I'm not saying it isn't, but I can't think of any examples as to why. Yes, most - if not all - the riders in the UK are white, but that's just a case of who is deciding to take up the sport. I don't see it as an equality issue. As for taking the knee, it should remain at the rider's own discretion. Personally, I find worthy white people taking the knee rather cringeworthy, although the intent behind it is probably a good one. Edited July 27, 2020 by Grachan 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 27, 2020 Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 26 minutes ago, uk_martin said: If football is anything to go by, all matches are being preceded by the "taking of the knee". Formula 1 is following suite. If there are any meeting that are going to take place this year (Oct, maybe?) then will there be a requirement for speedway riders to take the knee too? Or haven't the authorities who say that they spend 24 hours a day, 7 days a week planning for the resumption of speedway in Britain, thought about this yet? Because if there's one thing that's for sure, just as in F1, speedway in this country is a sport that definitely needs to address the matter of equality and diversity. F1 has announced that it's going to address the problem, will speedway follow? You're suggesting the sport of speedway is racist? Examples? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted July 27, 2020 Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 "speedway in this country is a sport that definitely needs to address the matter of equality and diversity." Why do you say that? Have you any evidence that potemntial riders other then white have been turned away from a practice track etc due to the colour of their skin? Have you not noticed that certain sports are dominated by coloured persons, and other by white persons ie athletics/swimming. I have concluded that certain types of humans are not cut out for some sports but ok with other sports, for example cricket compared to motor sports. Moto GP doesnt have many/any coloured riders (though there are many asian riders. I notice certain countries are predominat in sport in general, but many dont really compete on the world stage ie Saudi/UAR/Qatar/Iran/Iraq/Afgan/Lebanon. So its each to their own, cant force competitors to do this or that, and IMO it would be wrong to spend a lot of money trying to coerce somone to do something they dont want just to satisfy some perceiced need. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted July 27, 2020 Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 I doubt you are going to get the desired diversity on the track until you get the sort of diversity you are seeking on the terraces. Not sure why, but black and Asian people don't seem attracted to speedway meetings on the whole. But, back in the 70s when I was going with some local friends, one was an Asian kid. Plus I know one of my extended family who is an indian woman also attends at least Cardiff, now that Wimbledon is shut. Interesting that in the US at least black bikers are on the rise in numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted July 27, 2020 Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 19 minutes ago, iris123 said: black and Asian people don't seem attracted to speedway meetings on the whole. Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but, in general, nor do the majority of white people. Speedway's main problem is trying to get anybody of any background to watch it. I'm sure all the promoters would be delighted if any ethnic minority adopted it as their sport. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bruno Posted July 27, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 Imagine if speedway crowds took the knee, most would never get back up again 5 20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted July 27, 2020 Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 31 minutes ago, bruno said: Imagine if speedway crowds took the knee, most would never get back up again Reminds me of the wife while she down on her knees dusting the fireplace hearth - I say to her "while you down there you may as well kiss my feet". That gets her up quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted July 27, 2020 Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 Michael Holding (Cricketer) did a terrific job talking about diversity on SKY recently, he was superb. For me though, Taking the Knee - definitely not. I would not kneel as I think it should be down to personal choice. Having said that though - I totally agree with Bruno - I doubt if I would be able to get up again without help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Flag Posted July 27, 2020 Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 10 minutes ago, OveFundinFan said: Reminds me of the wife while she down on her knees dusting the fireplace hearth - I say to her "while you down there you may as well kiss my feet". That gets her up quickly. Never heard the kiss my feet bit before..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk127 Posted July 27, 2020 Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 Instead of saying BLM and those endorsing the cause by taking the knee (which may have had a double meaning back in the 70’s and 80’s particularly if you were North or South of the border) why don’t those aggrieved and in particular those supporting BLM say ‘why don’t we all try and get along together’ rather than break it down to colour and race and create friction. Many people are tired of every Tom, Dick,Harry and whatever you wish to call those classed as black, Asian, South American, etc. who simply object to anyone that does not agree with the BLM or similar point of view. Through history groups be they religious, colour or otherwise have come in for criticism, derision, the butt of jokes etc. and in some cases certain people need to be held to account, but has it not gone too far? To read that someone complained about a 1967 episode of the BBC Radio programme ‘Around the The Horne’ being repeated on 4 xtra and the corporation apologised says it all about the society we live in. Those who complain, get a life, those who have views, speak out without violence and those who disagree respectfully object and move on. Everyone has a right to an opinion, not just the BLM movement or any other movement. If you want to live in a sanitised state, move to China, they have ways of dealing with Muslims and others and do not tolerate any nonsense. Where do the BLM supporters sit on this issue? 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 Black Lives Matter should have been All Lives Matter, everyone is equal. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted July 28, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 13 hours ago, iris123 said: I doubt you are going to get the desired diversity on the track until you get the sort of diversity you are seeking on the terraces. Not sure why, but black and Asian people don't seem attracted to speedway meetings on the whole. But, back in the 70s when I was going with some local friends, one was an Asian kid. Plus I know one of my extended family who is an indian woman also attends at least Cardiff, now that Wimbledon is shut. Interesting that in the US at least black bikers are on the rise in numbers. This exactly. Teams like Birmingham and Leicester are in extremely mixed ethnic locations. 40%-50% of the local populations are non-white, and yet neither is there ever a "BAME" face in the crowd, (or if you do they are the exception) nor do the teams do the first thing to reach out to a new audience from minority populations. Yes this goes back to speedway being crap at promoting itself in general, but in the current climate, at least an effort to become more inclusive is surely needed, if not for the survival of the sport then to fend of accusations of being "white elitist". So, going back to that other sport that could be accused of being white elitist, F1 has finally (under pressure from it's exception to the rule) agreed to take measures to encourage equality, diversity and inclusiveness (whatever they turn out to be), so shouldn't speedway do the same, or at least start talking about doing the same? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 Some suggestions to get more BAME fans to be interested in speedway: Less restarts after someone makes a good start Less tractors going round for ages. More up to date music over the tannoy. More modern stadiums. Any other suggestions? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 14 hours ago, uk_martin said: If football is anything to go by, all matches are being preceded by the "taking of the knee". Formula 1 is following suite. If there are any meeting that are going to take place this year (Oct, maybe?) then will there be a requirement for speedway riders to take the knee too? Or haven't the authorities who say that they spend 24 hours a day, 7 days a week planning for the resumption of speedway in Britain, thought about this yet? Because if there's one thing that's for sure, just as in F1, speedway in this country is a sport that definitely needs to address the matter of equality and diversity. F1 has announced that it's going to address the problem, will speedway follow? I wouldn't hold F1 up as an example of how to "take a knee" it's been a complete shambles for them. Football has had "the benefit" of "taking a knee" behind closed doors and the TV companies turn the sound down while they do it, it'll be interesting to hear the crowd reaction if they ever open the terraces up again, most crowds can't keep quite for a minutes silence for respect when somebody has died... hence the modern day 1 minutes applause. Personally I can't be doing with these grand gestures of taking a knee to demand equality and then driving down to the bank in their Ferrari's to deposit their £250,000 a week wages. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 11 minutes ago, Grachan said: Some suggestions to get more BAME fans to be interested in speedway: Less restarts after someone makes a good start Less tractors going round for ages. More up to date music over the tannoy. More modern stadiums. Any other suggestions? Still wouldn't interest them. The promotion at White City tried all sorts of publicity to attract the basically West Indian community and it didn't work. As a matter of interest do many ethnic communities attend as spectators at football matches where there is a big influence of multi racial individuals taking part? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, steve roberts said: Still wouldn't interest them. The promotion at White City tried all sorts of publicity to attract the basically West Indian community and it didn't work. As a matter of interest do many ethnic communities attend as spectators at football matches where there is a big influence of multi racial individuals taking part? What I was really trying to say was that I don't believe there is any difference between trying to attract any different ethnicity to speedway than there is with trying to attract white people. If people are interested they will come. If the evening out is a good one they will come again. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff100 Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 52 minutes ago, uk_martin said: This exactly. Teams like Birmingham and Leicester are in extremely mixed ethnic locations. 40%-50% of the local populations are non-white, and yet neither is there ever a "BAME" face in the crowd, (or if you do they are the exception) nor do the teams do the first thing to reach out to a new audience from minority populations. Yes this goes back to speedway being crap at promoting itself in general, but in the current climate, at least an effort to become more inclusive is surely needed, if not for the survival of the sport then to fend of accusations of being "white elitist". So, going back to that other sport that could be accused of being white elitist, F1 has finally (under pressure from it's exception to the rule) agreed to take measures to encourage equality, diversity and inclusiveness (whatever they turn out to be), so shouldn't speedway do the same, or at least start talking about doing the same? So u think " lewis" is going to give up some of his millions to his " blm" friends after all he works for one of the worlds worst slave users during ww2, mercedes.i am no racist but in 50 yrs of going to speedway and having been to every track now in operation i have yet to see a " coloured" spectator , i know it reads bad but its true.i would welcome anyone to our great sport but it seems certain groups just dont get it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 24 minutes ago, Grachan said: What I was really trying to say was that I don't believe there is any difference between trying to attract any different ethnicity to speedway than there is with trying to attract white people. If people are interested they will come. If the evening out is a good one they will come again. No they won't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, geoff100 said: So u think " lewis" is going to give up some of his millions to his " blm" friends after all he works for one of the worlds worst slave users during ww2, mercedes.i am no racist but in 50 yrs of going to speedway and having been to every track now in operation i have yet to see a " coloured" spectator , i know it reads bad but its true.i would welcome anyone to our great sport but it seems certain groups just dont get it Do they generally partake in attending any spectator sport (other than cricket)? As I posted earlier do they attend football matches in any great numbers despite many of the players being of ethnic background? Was never really the case but has it improved over the years or are they just not interested in spectating generally? I really don't know. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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