arnieg Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 17 minutes ago, iris123 said: And in Denmark they haven't started their season and are still waiting to see if they even will..... To be pedantic, the DSL has yet to start (and they are talking about 5 instead of 7 teams even if they do), but lower leagues are underway. There have been matches in Divs 1 and 2. The former is a bit higher in standard than the NL, the latter a bit lower. They usually get crowds in double figures. (I counted 29 at the league 2 match I went to last year). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, arnieg said: To be pedantic, the DSL has yet to start (and they are talking about 5 instead of 7 teams even if they do), but lower leagues are underway. There have been matches in Divs 1 and 2. The former is a bit higher in standard than the NL, the latter a bit lower. They usually get crowds in double figures. (I counted 29 at the league 2 match I went to last year). Yes, I know that. I did report elsewhere that the lower leagues had started. And yes, I have attended Div 1 in both 500 and 80 cc formats. And as far as I heard no fans are allowed in, so far Edited July 21, 2020 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, arnieg said: To be pedantic, the DSL has yet to start (and they are talking about 5 instead of 7 teams even if they do), but lower leagues are underway. There have been matches in Divs 1 and 2. The former is a bit higher in standard than the NL, the latter a bit lower. They usually get crowds in double figures. (I counted 29 at the league 2 match I went to last year). I read that in Sweden the lower league crowd limit was 50 , in one match only 48 turned up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 4 hours ago, screm said: Sensible decision from the BSPA. There's a collector's item lol 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 10 hours ago, emilali said: Scary to think how many fans wont receive their money back because clubs have already spent the money but then may have gone bust or closed by the start of next season anyways. Got to feel for those that have shelled out their hard earned. Even scarier if sponsors, who themselves are facing a tough time, may ask for any advances that they made to be refunded, as they got no advertising exposure out of the season. Offering a carry forward option of the season ticket is all well and good, but it relies on the club not going bust before the start of the 2021 season. The option of the refund has to be offered too, and then the fans can make a choice of what to do. Anything else would be inviting the attentions of Trading Standards. A season ticket purchase is a contract, and one party to the contract cannot alter it without the other party having the option to pull out of it. Even Ryanair have had to offer refunds for their cancelled flights, and no organisation adheres to the Ferengi Rules of Acquisition #1 more than Ryanair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old bob at herne bay Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 Just think..... every season every UK club promoter announces that they have made a “ loss” running speedway . Sums of “ five figures” or “six figures” are bandied about. So no meetings run this season, no riders wages, no fees for referees, no fees for medical cover. Paid staff at most tracks are probably one or two, the rest casual employees and/or volunteers. Are the losses incurred any higher or lower than they normally generate running a league programme? Biggest issue IMO is whether owners of the stadia used by Speedway are still in business next year? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk127 Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 To add to the confusion stock car and banger racing goes ahead at Ipswich with fans allowed in because both are classed as amateur sports. Are you any safer in the stadia because they are not professional paid sports people. You could not make it up. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 15 minutes ago, Hawk127 said: To add to the confusion stock car and banger racing goes ahead at Ipswich with fans allowed in because both are classed as amateur sports. Are you any safer in the stadia because they are not professional paid sports people. You could not make it up. well somebody has i am lost for words .what a joke 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandit59 Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 21 minutes ago, Hawk127 said: To add to the confusion stock car and banger racing goes ahead at Ipswich with fans allowed in because both are classed as amateur sports. Are you any safer in the stadia because they are not professional paid sports people. You could not make it up. WTF OMG no wonder the country is in a state who makes this up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emilali Posted July 22, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Bandit59 said: WTF OMG no wonder the country is in a state who makes this up That would be the Tory government that the country voted overwhelmingly for last year. ‘You reap what you sow’ . 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 its done people , you will just have to wait until 2022 ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old bob at herne bay Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 Some rather strange comments on here..... transferring blame to “The Government” As though it would be any different if we had some other bunch in “The Government” ?? Most of British Speedway’s problems date back pre Covid World War, this war has just highlighted their perilous state. Sounds like the moans and groans after a meeting has been rained off after a cloudburst , and you stand around for an hour with false hopes that miracously the track will dry out. We are told that the meeting is definitely ON ON ON ......and then suddenly it’s OFF. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emilali Posted July 22, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 10 minutes ago, old bob at herne bay said: Some rather strange comments on here..... transferring blame to “The Government” As though it would be any different if we had some other bunch in “The Government” ?? Most of British Speedway’s problems date back pre Covid World War, this war has just highlighted their perilous state. Sounds like the moans and groans after a meeting has been rained off after a cloudburst , and you stand around for an hour with false hopes that miracously the track will dry out. We are told that the meeting is definitely ON ON ON ......and then suddenly it’s OFF. How is it anyone’s fault but the government? They are the ones making the decisions on which industries reopen and which don’t. Stock car racing at Ipswich is fine but no Speedway, how’s that work? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 25 minutes ago, emilali said: How is it anyone’s fault but the government? They are the ones making the decisions on which industries reopen and which don’t. Stock car racing at Ipswich is fine but no Speedway, how’s that work? Presumably speedway classes itself as elite sport and therefore has to comply with those government guidelines, whereas stock car racing classes itself as an outdoor public event where are there a different set of guidelines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 29 minutes ago, emilali said: How is it anyone’s fault but the government? They are the ones making the decisions on which industries reopen and which don’t. Stock car racing at Ipswich is fine but no Speedway, how’s that work? I’ve just looked at the Governments guidelines but as far as I can see it doesn’t draw a distinction between professional and amateur sport. As far as I can see the guidelines are all about crowds and social distancing . Even the British Speedway website talks about October being the target date for crowds, not because it is an a professional sport. I looked at the Ipswich Stock Car website and that says advance tickets only so obviously social distancing is relevant there. I might have missed something so can you give us a link to where it says amateur sport is allowed but not professional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 It is actually quite interesting to read how much clubs are losing. Surely if they lose money hand over fist in each meeting like people say, then 0 meetings will mean less debt come end of season!? Sensible decision as far as I am concerned. Absolutely pointless riding with no fans to watch, season nearly over anyway. Plan for 2021. This decision should of been made weeks ago. And I am no lover of Rory Scheiln, but I read somewhere that he is working as a delivery driver to bring in money. Good on him. You'd hope many others will turn to a full time job now, what with the tweets about earning no money etc going about. Welcome to the real world, where you have to do something you may not enjoy to earn money. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richspeedway Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 It seems to be a little vague for sports as F1 is not letting any crowds in at Silverstone for two rounds they are holding in August but on the same weekends I am going to Oulton Park and Donington for the British GT and British F3 weekends. Also my other half's family are going to the British Superbikes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emilali Posted July 22, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 5 minutes ago, E I Addio said: I’ve just looked at the Governments guidelines but as far as I can see it doesn’t draw a distinction between professional and amateur sport. As far as I can see the guidelines are all about crowds and social distancing . Even the British Speedway website talks about October being the target date for crowds, not because it is an a professional sport. I looked at the Ipswich Stock Car website and that says advance tickets only so obviously social distancing is relevant there. I might have missed something so can you give us a link to where it says amateur sport is allowed but not professional. I used the stock cars at Ipswich as an example I did not generalise that ‘all amateur sport’ is allowed. Horse racing is to welcome fans back to Goodwood in a few weeks and thats professional. This government pick and choose which sports they are allowing to reopen based on how much it benefits them. And more likely in my opinion which industries ministers will receive the biggest back handers from to make it happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 Let’s face it nobody can really work out the logic in all this,but Speedway without normal attendances was never going to be viable, the Glasgow Promotion worked that out long before the rest,which tells me something,they’re smarter.!! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 48 minutes ago, E I Addio said: I’ve just looked at the Governments guidelines but as far as I can see it doesn’t draw a distinction between professional and amateur sport. As far as I can see the guidelines are all about crowds and social distancing . Even the British Speedway website talks about October being the target date for crowds, not because it is an a professional sport. I looked at the Ipswich Stock Car website and that says advance tickets only so obviously social distancing is relevant there. I might have missed something so can you give us a link to where it says amateur sport is allowed but not professional. Outdoor entertainment is (or shortly will be) allowed with audiences. Perhaps Stock car racing is not a sport, but "an entertainment" 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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