The Doctor... Posted June 5, 2020 Report Share Posted June 5, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, RobMcCaffery said: Just to follow-up my posting to Old Bob It's Not Worth Doing Anything Ever from Herne Bay, The story is true. I was up for the battle to fight it but coming in here and just seeing relentless negativity you just get sickened by it all. Let's not do anything, try anything because it's never worth trying. It's like giving up on a match when you lose a 5-1 in the first heat, but hey that's modern speedway. Not worth helping anyone. Just let it all die. I have better things to do than have to fight with people here even before the main fight starts. I came in here to inform but of course the BSF prefer gossip and negativity to facts. Don't ever complain why speedway supporters don't get told what's going on when you have to go through this crap when you do. Bloody hell it's literally you picking the fights here! Old bob and one other person replied from what i can see, and both of those posters aren't even close to Rye so what relevance is that ? You were only giving suggestions at angles for people to lobby anyway, you weren't exactly offering to run a campaign. If several Rye regulars were admitting defeat then i'd say you have a point, but christ almighty, this thread has only been up half a day! Edited June 5, 2020 by The Doctor... . 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted June 6, 2020 Report Share Posted June 6, 2020 3 hours ago, The Doctor... said: Bloody hell it's literally you picking the fights here! Old bob and one other person replied from what i can see, and both of those posters aren't even close to Rye so what relevance is that ? You were only giving suggestions at angles for people to lobby anyway, you weren't exactly offering to run a campaign. If several Rye regulars were admitting defeat then i'd say you have a point, but christ almighty, this thread has only been up half a day! He just loves a whinge . Always has on here. its sad old men like him that give the sport such a bad rep . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted June 6, 2020 Report Share Posted June 6, 2020 9 hours ago, RobMcCaffery said: It's fine Bob, we just sit on our hands and forget it. Why bother trying, eh? The story is confirmed as true from a primary source. I will bow to your wishes and the other relentless negative posters on here. It's not worth trying anything is it. Thanks, it's much easier to be a useless cynic. Dont think Bob is being cynical.. Just being quite realistic based on the clear evidence of past experiences of other clubs within the 'local ish' vicinity.. There has been success stories over the years around the country which should inspire some belief, (Birmingham and the NSS two that spring to mind, as well as of course Kent in the South East), however, the odds are heavily stacked against Speedway clubs coming back from 'the dead' and it would be wrong to ignore that starting point.. Bottom line is the local population around Rye House didnt come out to support the sport in enough numbers, be that because of the quality of the product, the price charged to watch, or the 'opening hours'... Therefore. No point taking personally someone else's opinion of a situation, especially given that (a lot of) previous similar situations shows that their opinion of the likely outcome is probably the way things will unfortunately turn out.. Best of luck to those who will try and fight to save Speedway at Rye House, it will though be a huge fight to overcome, and there's nothing negative about being realistic about that.. Indeed, for some it might prove as an inspirational challenge for them to succeed where many can only see failure... Bottom line is that if enough of the population of Rye House desperately want Speedway it may get saved, if not enough show that they are bothered, it definitely wont.. As I say, best of luck to those willing to fight, but let's be brutally honest, another Speedway track closed for good will hardly send a ripple around the UK sporting world will it? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles Posted June 6, 2020 Report Share Posted June 6, 2020 18 hours ago, Rayleigh said: I have just heard some very sad news that the plans for the Rye House stadium does NOT include ANY speedway. Like at Coventry and Oxford I think it is important to contact the owners of the Kart Track to politely demonstrate that there is a big demand for Speedway and could they please reconsider their decision. I doubt there is big demand for speedway anywhere. If there was such big demand at Rye House where were they all on race nights & why did it close? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted June 6, 2020 Report Share Posted June 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Noodles said: I doubt there is big demand for speedway anywhere. If there was such big demand at Rye House where were they all on race nights & why did it close? Early in the 2017 season, top flight racing at Rye just about held its own on saturday nights. Once the midweek fixtures kicked in, the crowds dropped off alarmingly. The fixed race nights of 2018 all but finished the track off. Lakeside did move in to Rye at the end of the season, but it proved to be a disaster for the future of both clubs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted June 6, 2020 Report Share Posted June 6, 2020 Top flight Speedway at Rye was always going to fail. The Saturday crowds would have tailed off once the novelty wore off, the fixed race nights were the death knell that accelerated things. Could BMR have stepped back to the second tier once fixed race nights were floated? Maybe. Did they know what they were doing? I doubt it. The way they built their teams was testament to what I always saw as their naivety when it came to running a speedway team. It appeared to me they wanted to run at the highest level even though it wasn’t sustainable. Speedway at Rye House was a big part of my life, I would never have met my best friend if it wasn’t for Rye House and I’d be sad if the door to Speedway was shut forever, however it looks increasingly likely. Someone could run the track and make it a sustainable enterprise in the second or third tier I’m sure but it would take deep pockets in the short term to do so and you’d be stupid to walk into speedway these days. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted June 6, 2020 Report Share Posted June 6, 2020 22 minutes ago, Ben91 said: Top flight Speedway at Rye was always going to fail. The Saturday crowds would have tailed off once the novelty wore off, the fixed race nights were the death knell that accelerated things. Could BMR have stepped back to the second tier once fixed race nights were floated? Maybe. Did they know what they were doing? I doubt it. The way they built their teams was testament to what I always saw as their naivety when it came to running a speedway team. It appeared to me they wanted to run at the highest level even though it wasn’t sustainable. Speedway at Rye House was a big part of my life, I would never have met my best friend if it wasn’t for Rye House and I’d be sad if the door to Speedway was shut forever, however it looks increasingly likely. Someone could run the track and make it a sustainable enterprise in the second or third tier I’m sure but it would take deep pockets in the short term to do so and you’d be stupid to walk into speedway these days. Speedway at Rye was losing money before BMR got involved. Len knew this and sold them a dead duck. The crowds were down and the stadium needed major investment. Len never hangs around once a track starts to go into the red, he's no mug when it comes to business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayleigh Posted June 6, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2020 Please gentlemen stop bickering, this is a very serious time for the team and the sport. I hope people can focus on trying to avert this disaster. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattB Posted June 6, 2020 Report Share Posted June 6, 2020 9 hours ago, Ben91 said: Top flight Speedway at Rye was always going to fail. The Saturday crowds would have tailed off once the novelty wore off, the fixed race nights were the death knell that accelerated things. Could BMR have stepped back to the second tier once fixed race nights were floated? Maybe. Did they know what they were doing? I doubt it. The way they built their teams was testament to what I always saw as their naivety when it came to running a speedway team. It appeared to me they wanted to run at the highest level even though it wasn’t sustainable. Speedway at Rye House was a big part of my life, I would never have met my best friend if it wasn’t for Rye House and I’d be sad if the door to Speedway was shut forever, however it looks increasingly likely. Someone could run the track and make it a sustainable enterprise in the second or third tier I’m sure but it would take deep pockets in the short term to do so and you’d be stupid to walk into speedway these days. Think there's a real element of truth about this. I went to Rye House's first top flight match, and lots of fans I spoke to said it was the best crowd they'd seen down there. Once the initial buzz wore off, it was always likely that crowds would level out (by all accounts they were dropping in the latter years of Len Silver's time). Once they lost Saturday nights, I think the writing was on the wall. Hopefully it can be salvaged. We've lost far too many tracks in recent years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winstoncigar Posted June 6, 2020 Report Share Posted June 6, 2020 League speedway is finished at Rye House. Anyone thinking it can be revived by lobbying the owners needs to have their bumps felt. The new leaseholders have no interest in Speedway and are fully aware that the sport is on its knees everywhere in the UK. Any potential promoter would have to come up with a staggering (and I mean Euro millions lottery winning staggering) amount of money to tempt the new owners into giving them a lease and then have another staggering (maybe a rollover Lotto win) amount of money to get the stadium fit for Speedway. Treasure your memories but don't let anyone give you any false hopes that the Rockets can be revived, they can't, they're history. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odds On Posted June 8, 2020 Report Share Posted June 8, 2020 the only way i can see speedway returning is IF a multitude of sports pull together, speedway, greyhound racing, football, go karts etc etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted June 8, 2020 Report Share Posted June 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, Odds On said: the only way i can see speedway returning is IF a multitude of sports pull together, speedway, greyhound racing, football, go karts etc etc. No room for a dog track at Rye, those days are long gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odds On Posted June 8, 2020 Report Share Posted June 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, cityrebel said: No room for a dog track at Rye, those days are long gone. since when was there no room for the dog track? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted June 8, 2020 Report Share Posted June 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Odds On said: since when was there no room for the dog track? There is room for a dog track but the old dog track was taken up and it would only be more expense to reinstate it. I believe the raised banks on the bends are on top of where the old track once was too. There’s a dog track in Harlow ten minutes away anyway, too close to make greyhounds viable at Rye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted June 8, 2020 Report Share Posted June 8, 2020 4 hours ago, Odds On said: since when was there no room for the dog track? Since the new Gym was built and the dog kennels demolished, any new circuit would encroach on the speedway track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted June 8, 2020 Report Share Posted June 8, 2020 3_20_0650_FUL-DESIGN_AND_ACCESS_STATEMENT-1507575.pdf Some details of the gym planning ...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted June 8, 2020 Report Share Posted June 8, 2020 2 hours ago, GWC said: 3_20_0650_FUL-DESIGN_AND_ACCESS_STATEMENT-1507575.pdf Some details of the gym planning ...... Pretty grim reading, from a speedway point of view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted June 8, 2020 Report Share Posted June 8, 2020 Game over for Speedway. Used to love my trips to Rye House, from the pub nearby, to the unusual camber on the first bend. Tragic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted June 9, 2020 Report Share Posted June 9, 2020 Greyhound racing is only being kept going by Streamed meetings and there are not enough streamed meetings to go round as it is, so im afraid though RH is a good location for Greyhounds economically it woudnt be viable, just to add Greyhound racing is similar to Speedway not enough spectators but the bookies keep it going, in Speedways case there are only a very few people that like to have a bet on racing, again there could be possibilities in that area, but the powers that be dont seem inclined to investigate them.. £50,000 to £100,000 Greyhound derbys are not unheard of, when have we ever had that kind meeting speedway meeting in the UK ?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 9, 2020 Report Share Posted June 9, 2020 I used to regularly visit the Rye House website and in excellent style it gave up-to-date speedway happenings. But when I logged on today I had this response - has any other member also had the same response? https://www.ryehouserockets.co Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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