eric i Posted June 29, 2020 Report Share Posted June 29, 2020 Wouldn't be the first time leon madsen has pushed the boundaries....... https://www.pressreader.com/uk/daily-star/20100616/282144992594044 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 29, 2020 Report Share Posted June 29, 2020 16 minutes ago, eric i said: Wouldn't be the first time leon madsen has pushed the boundaries....... https://www.pressreader.com/uk/daily-star/20100616/282144992594044 10years ago! He wasn’t the only one in these days with silencers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted June 29, 2020 Report Share Posted June 29, 2020 1 hour ago, E I Addio said: If the bikes are checked every GP that is not every meeting . My understanding is that only the bike on which the rider completes his last ride goes into the parke ferme, but he still has two others. Theoretically the top three finishers are liable to be “checked “ by which I mean stripped down, but I think ( and I stand to be corrected if it is otherwise) that it rarely happens . Think about it a rider spends an arm and a leg on tuners getting it right them some F.I.M bloke strips it down and leaves it for the tuner to put all back together at great expense. Some riders are better than others, some have enormous talent, far above the rest. That’s what makes it so difficult to pin point anything. I am not pointing the finger at Madsen or Bartosz or anyone else. I am only going by what I have heard from riders. Two ex GP riders have told me that you wouldn’t be competitive in Poland if you didn’t have “something done “ to the engines . I didn’t ask them to enlarge on what “something done “ meant. All we do know is that odd ones here and there have been caught cheating so it does happen at least occasionally. Anything beyond that is speculation. Have heard similar. One or two things come to mind, is does the sport want to find the 'tricks'. And do other riders want to report their fellow riders ? I can't say about the first, but it does seem the latter that riders are all too willing to share their doubts, but very few want to put their money where their mouth is and go official with it. Much like in any job, nobody wants to run the risk... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 29, 2020 Report Share Posted June 29, 2020 1 hour ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: This is a genuine question, is nascar a big thing over here ? I know it’s everything in parts of USA but over here ? I don’t know anyone who follows it, does it get more viewers on premier than speedway ?? Don’t know the answer to your question, but doubt Premier will have many subscribers for watching speedway given the number of ways you can watch it streaming live nowadays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted June 29, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2020 (edited) Wroclaw have today announced the " guest rider" signing of Torun rider Chris Holder. I think they were unable to use him yesterday because the 1st Extraleague transfer window didn`t open until today. Edited June 29, 2020 by racers and royals 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted June 29, 2020 Report Share Posted June 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Fromafar said: Don’t know the answer to your question, but doubt Premier will have many subscribers for watching speedway given the number of ways you can watch it streaming live nowadays. But nascar fans would also stream it too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 29, 2020 Report Share Posted June 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: But nascar fans would also stream it too They will have viewing figures ,maybe Speedway is just a filler.Really don’t know the in’s and out’s how these stations gets their revenue from advertising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted June 29, 2020 Report Share Posted June 29, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, Fromafar said: 10years ago! He wasn’t the only one in these days with silencers. And from what I saw yesterday Drabik and Janowski had as much straight line speed as Madsen. There does appear to be a 'Karlsson corridor' at Czestowocha, coming out of the second turn and he seems to use it better than anyone.. Down, it seems to me, to the way he can ride the whole bend tighter than other riders, at a speed similar to his opponents who are using the wider arc nearer the fence... He then manages to get his wheels in line without locking up, and scrubbing speed off, even on such a tight line.. And he does this at most tracks.. He isn't going faster (sideways) than his opponents I would suggest, but he is just taking the shortest route, and gets the rewards exiting the bends, which at World level racing pace takes some doing.. Edited June 29, 2020 by mikebv 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 29, 2020 Report Share Posted June 29, 2020 100% Agree.he seems to get his wheels in line even riding a tighter line,great skill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 29, 2020 Report Share Posted June 29, 2020 15 minutes ago, Fromafar said: 100% Agree.he seems to get his wheels in line even riding a tighter line,great skill. 59 minutes ago, mikebv said: And from what I saw yesterday Drabik and Janowski had as much straight line speed as Madsen. There does appear to be a 'Karlsson corridor' at Czestowocha, coming out of the second turn and he seems to use it better than anyone.. Down, it seems to me, to the way he can ride the whole bend tighter than other riders, at a speed similar to his opponents who are using the wider arc nearer the fence... He then manages to get his wheels in line without locking up, and scrubbing speed off, even on such a tight line.. And he does this at most tracks.. He isn't going faster (sideways) than his opponentsI I would suggest, but he is just taking the shortest route, and gets the rewards exiting the bends, which at World level racing pace takes some doing.. 100%agree,he seems to get his wheels in line even riding a tighter line,great skill. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted June 30, 2020 Report Share Posted June 30, 2020 (edited) i think you're just seeing a rider at the top of his game in Madsen. a MASSIVE part of speedway is confidence, and everyone has their limits to how far they will push. even that very tiny 100th of a second faster into a turn and that adds up over 4 laps. some go that extra because of what's in their head. **edit - and after watching Troy Batchelor last week, my first thought was that his partner is pregnant. Troy is a good rider, you don't just drop like that. i think when he comes to terms with riding while his partner is pregnant, he'll be scoring points again, but he'll need to ride. seen it with plenty of riders, i'm not going to name any more, but has a baby on the way/had a baby, and form dips pretty hard. confidence Edited June 30, 2020 by stevehone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted June 30, 2020 Report Share Posted June 30, 2020 (edited) The Madsen / Chugunov race has been put on Facebook in a couple of places and you’ve got people moaning about the track and saying they’ve seen better racing at Lakeside I honestly think some British fans just aren’t prepared to enjoy Polish speedway which is a pity for them. It’s not been brilliant but there has been the odd superb race and enough good ones to make it worth watching. Edited June 30, 2020 by Bagpuss 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted June 30, 2020 Report Share Posted June 30, 2020 Anything is more exciting when it is ‘your’ team. You can just pick a team and make it yours, but if you have no real affinity with a polish or Swedish or Czech team then it is really often boring. And tbh I have seen my own team in a boring meeting or two where the track announcer was getting all worked up because the score was close. That is his job, but the meeting was still boring..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted June 30, 2020 Report Share Posted June 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Bagpuss said: I honestly think some British fans just aren’t prepared to enjoy Polish speedway which is a pity for them. It’s not been brilliant but there has been the odd superb race and enough good ones to make it worth watching. I know it can't be helped... but isn't it ironic that the BSPL went with the Eurosport TV deal to attract Polish viewers & sponsors and we in Britain all end up watching Polish speedway on Premier TV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted June 30, 2020 Report Share Posted June 30, 2020 2 hours ago, Bagpuss said: The Madsen / Chugunov race has been put on Facebook in a couple of places and you’ve got people moaning about the track and saying they’ve seen better racing at Lakeside I honestly think some British fans just aren’t prepared to enjoy Polish speedway which is a pity for them. It’s not been brilliant but there has been the odd superb race and enough good ones to make it worth watching. 100%. And as a watcher of Polish Speedway over the past few years, it gets even better when the crowds are filling the stadiums to capacity.. The racing seems to take on even more of an edge when tens of thousands of fans are either screaming out in adulation, or disgust at their riders.. This year there has been some cracking racing, and I think some fans just equate passing in races as a benchmark to their standard.. In Poland you seldom get one rider miles in front of everyone else given there is usually two decent world level heat leaders in most races, and many of the races have two seperate battles for 1st and 2nd and then 3rd and 4th, given the close nature of the standards of the riders.. You can have some great racing with no passing at all, eg cant remember which race the other day, but it ended 5-1 to Czestowocha but it looked like synchronised speedway with the Wroclaw riders riding five yards behind for virtually the whole of the race, trying to find a way through.. (Might have been Woffy and Chugunov?) The whole experience from the mechanics in club colours, the fans in club colour T shirts, through to the 2 mins use and start marshall/ref communication to align the riders straight and right up to the tapes, and then the racing itself, is truly light years ahead of what we have over here.. And that's no disrespect to British Speedway as that it the way it should be with the millions of PLN it attracts.. But to think what we see in the UK is better, I do have to say is pushing the boundaries of reality a little bit far.. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted June 30, 2020 Report Share Posted June 30, 2020 35 minutes ago, mikebv said: The 2 mins use and start marshall/ref communication to align the riders straight and right up to the tapes, and then the racing itself, is truly light years ahead of what we have over here. I've been watching the "rewind" meetings on the British Speedway YouTube channel... I thought it was quite comical watching last night's Coventry vs King's Lynn match from 2011 with riders seemingly attached with invisible elastic to the tapes as they kept rolling backwards and forwards to and from the tapes... And the week before Danny King quite clearly exceeded the 2 minutes time allowance before the first running of the final... Like in society at the moment once you let these little things go anarchy soon prevails 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted June 30, 2020 Report Share Posted June 30, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, iainb said: I've been watching the "rewind" meetings on the British Speedway YouTube channel... I thought it was quite comical watching last night's Coventry vs King's Lynn match from 2011 with riders seemingly attached with invisible elastic to the tapes as they kept rolling backwards and forwards to and from the tapes... And the week before Danny King quite clearly exceeded the 2 minutes time allowance before the first running of the final... Like in society at the moment once you let these little things go anarchy soon prevails It was also mentioned on this thread how it clearly helps to reduce first bend incidents too, by having all riders leaving the tapes in an arrow straight line... Rather than the all four firing off in different directions like we can get over here.. It sometimes resembles the start of Wacky Races... The ref and marshall are linked up too, so should a rider roll back when the marshall's back is turned when he moves on to another rider, or even if he goes straight into 'under starters orders' mode, the ref will let him know if anyone has moved and he goes back and sorts them out again... With some conviction and authority.. Be ready to race when the 2 mins clock expires following the marshall's instructions.. Or you are out... So simple and yet so effective... And so professional.... Edited June 30, 2020 by mikebv 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 30, 2020 Report Share Posted June 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, mikebv said: It was also mentioned on this thread how it clearly helps to reduce first bend incidents too, by having all riders leaving the tapes in an arrow straight line... Rather than the all four firing off in different directions like we can get over here.. It's sometimes resembles the start of Wacky Races... The ref and marshall are linked up too, so should a rider roll back when the marshall's back is turned when he moves on to another rider, or even if he goes straight into 'under starters orders' mode, the ref will let him know if anyone has moved and he goes back and sorts them out again... With some conviction and authority.. Be ready to race when the 2 mins clock expires following the marshall's instructions.. Or you are out... So simple and yet so effective... And so professional.... The starting procedure in Poland is streets ahead of UK, think a 2 min clock Should be made compulsory in UK for starters.The riders don’t mess the Start Marshal about in Poland and it all runs fairly smoothly. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted June 30, 2020 Report Share Posted June 30, 2020 1 hour ago, iainb said: I've been watching the "rewind" meetings on the British Speedway YouTube channel... I thought it was quite comical watching last night's Coventry vs King's Lynn match from 2011 with riders seemingly attached with invisible elastic to the tapes as they kept rolling backwards and forwards to and from the tapes... And the week before Danny King quite clearly exceeded the 2 minutes time allowance before the first running of the final... Like in society at the moment once you let these little things go anarchy soon prevails I have, also, been viewing quite a few rewind meetings & races on YouTube & there has been a few when even the riders have come to the tapes, the riders do their gardening then adjust the clutch lever. The video clip has sometimes run to 1.20 - 1.30 minutes. In the 10 or 12 meetings that Poland have had, how many heats have had restarts because of movement or tape infringements? Probably less than we have in ONE meeting! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted June 30, 2020 Report Share Posted June 30, 2020 30 minutes ago, Fromafar said: The starting procedure in Poland is streets ahead of UK, think a 2 min clock Should be made compulsory in UK for starters.The riders don’t mess the Start Marshal about in Poland and it all runs fairly smoothly. Have you any idea how much a 2 minute clock costs? Maybe they could do like they did with the track covers and ferry it about between clubs... come to think of it, whatever happened to the track covers? Maybe it's with Colin Meredith's elastic band starting gate mechanism replacement kit 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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