IainB Posted August 17, 2020 Report Share Posted August 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Spelling related,Sayfutdinov and Loktaev both end with a W on Polish captions. I've not noticed this, I'll keep an eye out for that. I wonder why though, surely you spell your name how you spell your name. It's a bit like in Eurovision when France refer to Britain as Grande Bretagne or Germany as Allemagne. If Germany call themselves Germany they should be referred to as Germany... although don't they refer to themselves as Deutschland? I'm confused Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearbutnaeidea Posted August 17, 2020 Report Share Posted August 17, 2020 The Laguta brothers first names are different in Poland as well as Gleb Chug’s, seems like a Russian to Polish thing! Although have noticed Lindbaeck and a couple of others as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted August 17, 2020 Report Share Posted August 17, 2020 47 minutes ago, racers and royals said: Klindt rides for Gorzow tonight. I’m assuming he has signed as their second “guest rider”? Looks like they have well and truly given up hope with Kasprzak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted August 17, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2020 Just now, Najjer said: I’m assuming he has signed as their second “guest rider”? Looks like they have well and truly given up hope with Kasprzak Yes- it`s been reported that Tungate refused to sign as it would have probably been just the 1 meeting- because you cannot guest for more than one team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted August 17, 2020 Report Share Posted August 17, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Fromafar said: Spelling related,Sayfutdinov and Loktaev both end with a W on Polish captions. Bear in mind the Russian names are translations from the Russian script, cyrillic, so there is no official spelling in our alphabet. We convert to how we would spell the names and the Poles their way. Their w is a v sound so what we would call Victor would be Wiktor in Polish, and something looking totally different but sounding pretty much the same n Russian. Going back over the years the English translations have varied. Take Grigori Chlinovsky, aka Grigory Khlinovsky. Likewise Grigori/Grigory/Grigorij Laguta. The problem gets more complex with Latvia where two alphabets are in use, Russian and Latvian so an ethnic Russian's name in his own language may be Andrei Lebedev (check the back of his kevlars) or Andzejs Lebedevs in Latvian! In English we have very few accents over or under letters like the e in cafe. Other languages have many. I don't want to wrestle with the keyboard too much but taking the Antonio Lindback case. The a in Lindback in Swedish has a double dot accent over the a, known in German as an umlaut, making his name phonetically closer to Lindbeck. In English we don't use that accent so we usually add an e to the vowel, hence the occasional use of Lindbaeck. The English alphabet isn't flexible to accommodate all these accents, usually applied to vowels to change their sounds. We compromise, and in so doing often get the pronunciation of foreign names very wrong. A y in Swedish is usually pronounced more like ew or a g like a y. The Poles don't just mess with vowels which is why Lech Walesa's name is pronounced Vawensa and Lodz as Woodz. In both cases the l has a bar across it, changing it to w. How do you cope? Compromise. We convert foreign names to our alphabet as best as we can and the pronunciations accordingly. Other nations do the same. I remember being amused at the 1982 Intercontinental Final at Vetlanda announcer refer to Kelly Moron. Well, he as many things, but not that.... It works in reverse. The Russians don't use the letter h so to get close to that sound they use a mix of x and i. I learned this when I covered ice racing n Russia using a programme obviously written in Russian and with the names similarly treated. It took a while to find Jarmo Hirvasoja..... So, it's all compromise in adjusting from one alphabet to another. Our lack of accents being used with vowels helps make English a tricky language to learn. Just a final one, Google Translate can offer some interesting translations. Dawid/Wiktor Leopard (Lampart) , Rafal Innkeeper (Karczmarz), Pawel Month (Miesiac). Oh and speedway to Zuzel, or .....Slag....... Hope this makes sense. Edited August 17, 2020 by RobMcCaffery 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted August 17, 2020 Report Share Posted August 17, 2020 52 minutes ago, RobMcCaffery said: Bear in mind the Russian names are translations from the Russian script, cyrillic, so there is no official spelling in our alphabet. We convert to how we would spell the names and the Poles their way. Their w is a v sound so what we would call Victor would be Wiktor in Polish, and something looking totally different but sounding pretty much the same n Russian. Going back over the years the English translations have varied. Take Grigori Chlinovsky, aka Grigory Khlinovsky. Likewise Grigori/Grigory/Grigorij Laguta. The problem gets more complex with Latvia where two alphabets are in use, Russian and Latvian so an ethnic Russian's name in his own language may be Andrei Lebedev (check the back of his kevlars) or Andzejs Lebedevs in Latvian! In English we have very few accents over or under letters like the e in cafe. Other languages have many. I don't want to wrestle with the keyboard too much but taking the Antonio Lindback case. The a in Lindback in Swedish has a double dot accent over the a, known in German as an umlaut, making his name phonetically closer to Lindbeck. In English we don't use that accent so we usually add an e to the vowel, hence the occasional use of Lindbaeck. The English alphabet isn't flexible to accommodate all these accents, usually applied to vowels to change their sounds. We compromise, and in so doing often get the pronunciation of foreign names very wrong. A y in Swedish is usually pronounced more like ew or a g like a y. The Poles don't just mess with vowels which is why Lech Walesa's name is pronounced Vawensa and Lodz as Woodz. In both cases the l has a bar across it, changing it to w. How do you cope? Compromise. We convert foreign names to our alphabet as best as we can and the pronunciations accordingly. Other nations do the same. I remember being amused at the 1982 Intercontinental Final at Vetlanda announcer refer to Kelly Moron. Well, he as many things, but not that.... It works in reverse. The Russians don't use the letter h so to get close to that sound they use a mix of x and i. I learned this when I covered ice racing n Russia using a programme obviously written in Russian and with the names similarly treated. It took a while to find Jarmo Hirvasoja..... So, it's all compromise in adjusting from one alphabet to another. Our lack of accents being used with vowels helps make English a tricky language to learn. Just a final one, Google Translate can offer some interesting translations. Dawid/Wiktor Leopard (Lampart) , Rafal Innkeeper (Karczmarz), Pawel Month (Miesiac). Oh and speedway to Zuzel, or .....Slag....... Hope this makes sense. Perfect sense!,I’m away for a lie down now 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted August 17, 2020 Report Share Posted August 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Fromafar said: Perfect sense!,I’m away for a lie down now Announcing/commentating isn't as easy as some might think. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted August 17, 2020 Report Share Posted August 17, 2020 Rafal Innkeeper is my favourite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted August 17, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2020 Teams confirmed in Gorzow. Gorzow 9 Wozniak 10 Zmarzlik 11 Klindt 12 Thomsen 13 NKI - R/R(ZZ) 14 Jasinski 15 Karczmarz 16 Pytlewski Wroclaw 1 Janowski 2 Drabik 3 Berntzon 4 Fricke 5 Woffinden 6 Chugunov 7 M Curzytek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shockster Posted August 17, 2020 Report Share Posted August 17, 2020 Backed Gorzow +2.5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BartoszZmarzlikFan Posted August 17, 2020 Report Share Posted August 17, 2020 Evening all very difficult meeting to predict tonight. Fricke needs a good one otherwise he's done for imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shockster Posted August 17, 2020 Report Share Posted August 17, 2020 1 minute ago, KingoftheTrack said: Evening all very difficult meeting to predict tonight. Fricke needs a good one otherwise he's done for imo. Fricke is safe really as they are only allowed to use 1 guest, which they are doing for Bewley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shockster Posted August 17, 2020 Report Share Posted August 17, 2020 Curzytek had plenty of time to move out of the way. Blue was in front. Pedersen does that all the time and the rider behind has to shut off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BartoszZmarzlikFan Posted August 17, 2020 Report Share Posted August 17, 2020 Anybody else having streaming problems? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted August 17, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, KingoftheTrack said: Anybody else having streaming problems? Maniak is ok 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted August 17, 2020 Report Share Posted August 17, 2020 1 minute ago, KingoftheTrack said: Anybody else having streaming problems? Yip wonder if it is the weather! I can’t get Maniek of daddylive on I pad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted August 17, 2020 Report Share Posted August 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, KingoftheTrack said: Anybody else having streaming problems? Had problems at start of last match then went okay the end of match then dodgy at the very start of this match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted August 17, 2020 Report Share Posted August 17, 2020 (edited) I remember watching Anders Thomsen in the Championship at Peterborough. I could always tell that he was destined for the top. Jack Holder used to ride for us too. Edited August 17, 2020 by KeirStarmerFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BartoszZmarzlikFan Posted August 17, 2020 Report Share Posted August 17, 2020 Got Maniak working with no sound thank you R & R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BartoszZmarzlikFan Posted August 17, 2020 Report Share Posted August 17, 2020 Now got the sound working. The button wasn't coming up at first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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