racers and royals Posted June 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, racers and royals said: We move on to round 2 this weekend with fans now in the stadiums.- all UK times Friday June 19th Grudziadz v Rybnik programme starts 4.30pm 1st race 5pm Eleven Sport 1 and Free Sports(5pm) Friday June 19th Leszno v Wroclaw programme starts 7.15pm 1st race 7.30pm Eleven Sport 1 and Premier Sport 1( 7.30pm) Sunday June 21st Lublin v Gorzow programme starts 3pm 1st race 3.30pm N Sport and premier Sport 2 (3.30pm) Sunday June 21st Zielona Gora v Czestochowa programme starts 5.45pm 1st race 6.15pm N Sport and premier Sport 1( delayed ?) 12.45am Monday ?? ** ** not sure what Premier are going to do with this match- if they can`t show it live at least they could swap this match to 10.45pm and the repeat of Lublin v Gorzow to 12.45 am !!! Friday`s away team lineups Rybnik 1. Troy Batchelor2. Andrzej Lebiediew3. Vaclav Milik4. Mateusz Szczepaniak5. Kacper Woryna6. Mateusz Tudzież7. Kacper Kłosok Wroclaw 1. Daniel Bewley2. Tai Woffinden3. Maciej Janowski4. Max Fricke5. Maksym Drabik6. Gleb Czugunow7. Przemysław Liszka Edited June 16, 2020 by racers and royals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlata prilba Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, racers and royals said: Friday`s away team lineups Rybnik 1. Troy Batchelor2. Andrzej Lebiediew3. Vaclav Milik4. Mateusz Szczepaniak5. Kacper Woryna6. Mateusz Tudzież7. Kacper Kłosok Wroclaw 1. Daniel Bewley2. Tai Woffinden3. Maciej Janowski4. Max Fricke5. Maksym Drabik6. Gleb Czugunow7. Przemysław Liszka Be interesting if Wuffy rides or they use R/R for him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted June 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, zlata prilba said: Be interesting if Wuffy rides or they use R/R for him He will ride- that is just a tactical lineup for away matches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted June 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 (edited) Grudziadz line up home to Rybnik on Friday 9 Pedersen 10 Buczkowski 11 Bjerre 12 Prem Pawlicki 13 A Laguta 14 Zielinski 15 Turowski Leszno line up home to Wroclaw on Friday 9 Sayfutdinov 10 Kolodziej 11 Smektala 12 kurtz 13 Piotr Pawlicki 14 Szlauderbach 15 Kubera Edited June 16, 2020 by racers and royals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 5 hours ago, iainb said: Hang on a minute, let's not blow too much smoke up the Poles bottoms... The fact is they have still only produced 3 world champions (ever), have won most of the team cups on their own tracks. even these under 23 (or is it 21) world beating reserves that we see disappear when they get older... where are the reserves of a few years ago now? Polish teams have to have four Poles per team and not only easily comply but also have several replacements available to replace poor performers and injuries.. All of which will have been U21 at some stage... An U21 system that brought so many riders through to World Class level, and made them so dominant as a nation, that the FIM had to change the World Cup format to give the others a chance... Poland might only have had 3 Individual World Champs but as a nation have a strength in depth no other can compete with. . With much of that strength in depth starting as U21 reserves... Some, naturally will drop out by the way side, but many come through.. And to a very elite level.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 Batchelor declared in Rybnik’s team then.... interesting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 1 hour ago, mikebv said: Polish teams have to have four Poles per team and not only easily comply but also have several replacements available to replace poor performers and injuries.. All of which will have been U21 at some stage... An U21 system that brought so many riders through to World Class level, and made them so dominant as a nation, that the FIM had to change the World Cup format to give the others a chance... Poland might only have had 3 Individual World Champs but as a nation have a strength in depth no other can compete with. . With much of that strength in depth starting as U21 reserves... Some, naturally will drop out by the way side, but many come through.. And to a very elite level.. Let's look at the "Poles" in the Ekstraliga this year Przedpelski - Club Man Swidnicki - Shows promise Holta - Norwegian Miskowiak - Reserve Kowalski - ? Buczkowski - Journeyman P Pawlicki - World Class P Pawlicki - Club Man Turowski - Reserve Lotarski - Reserve Lakhbaum - Reserve Woryna - Club Man Miedzinski - Journeyman Szczepaniak - Journeyman Klosok - LOL Protasiewicz - Journeyman Tudziez - Reserve Dudek - World Class Krakowiak - Shows Promise Tonder - Reserve Niedzwiedz - ? Zmarzlik - World Class Kasprzak - Club man Wozniak - Club man Karczmarz - Shows Promise Bartkowiak - Reserve Nowacki - ? Kubera - Shows Promise Kolodziej - Journeyman Szlauderbach - Russian? Smektala - Journeyman Drabik - International Class Chugunov - Russian Janowski - World Class Liszka - Reserve Curzytek - ? Hampel - Journeyman Jamrog - Journeyman Lampart - Shows Promise Bober - ? While the Polish league is without doubt the strongest league in the world there's an awful lot of dead Polish wood and unproven talent. I wonder how they manage to implement the " have to have four Poles per team" rule and still comply with European Law? That's probably been done to death somewhere else on these forums anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 (edited) Isn’t or wasn’t Lahkbaum a Russian ? Szlauderbach like Lahkbaum has a Germanic surname anyway. But that wouldn’t be unusual Hampel,Lampart or Glücklich do too Edited June 16, 2020 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted June 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 25 minutes ago, iainb said: Let's look at the "Poles" in the Ekstraliga this year Przedpelski - Club Man Swidnicki - Shows promise Holta - Norwegian Miskowiak - Reserve Kowalski - ? Buczkowski - Journeyman P Pawlicki - World Class P Pawlicki - Club Man Turowski - Reserve Lotarski - Reserve Lakhbaum - Reserve Woryna - Club Man Miedzinski - Journeyman Szczepaniak - Journeyman Klosok - LOL Protasiewicz - Journeyman Tudziez - Reserve Dudek - World Class Krakowiak - Shows Promise Tonder - Reserve Niedzwiedz - ? Zmarzlik - World Class Kasprzak - Club man Wozniak - Club man Karczmarz - Shows Promise Bartkowiak - Reserve Nowacki - ? Kubera - Shows Promise Kolodziej - Journeyman Szlauderbach - Russian? Smektala - Journeyman Drabik - International Class Chugunov - Russian Janowski - World Class Liszka - Reserve Curzytek - ? Hampel - Journeyman Jamrog - Journeyman Lampart - Shows Promise Bober - ? While the Polish league is without doubt the strongest league in the world there's an awful lot of dead Polish wood and unproven talent. I wonder how they manage to implement the " have to have four Poles per team" rule and still comply with European Law? That's probably been done to death somewhere else on these forums anyway Smektala a Journeyman !!!! you are having a giraffe 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 30 minutes ago, racers and royals said: Smektala a Journeyman !!!! you are having a giraffe Yes, I'm having a giraffe, got that one wrong, shows promise/international class... Glad you agree with the rest though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted June 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 Just now, iainb said: Yes, I'm having a giraffe, got that one wrong, shows promise/international class... Glad you agree with the rest though Didn`t read the rest- just saw him and had to post a response Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 8 minutes ago, racers and royals said: Didn`t read the rest- just saw him and had to post a response Go on... Read the rest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted June 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 7 minutes ago, iainb said: Go on... Read the rest The Extraleague top 5 is so hard for the Polish riders coming out of 6 and 7 that they sometimes decide to ride in the E Winner league 1- Michael Gruchalski is an example, top 6/7 for Czestochowa last season has gone to Tarnow for 2020. Another rider i rate is Musielak riding for Torun this season. i agree there is also a lot of " journeyman" Poles in DIv 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, iainb said: Let's look at the "Poles" in the Ekstraliga this year Przedpelski - Club Man Swidnicki - Shows promise Holta - Norwegian Miskowiak - Reserve Kowalski - ? Buczkowski - Journeyman P Pawlicki - World Class P Pawlicki - Club Man Turowski - Reserve Lotarski - Reserve Lakhbaum - Reserve Woryna - Club Man Miedzinski - Journeyman Szczepaniak - Journeyman Klosok - LOL Protasiewicz - Journeyman Tudziez - Reserve Dudek - World Class Krakowiak - Shows Promise Tonder - Reserve Niedzwiedz - ? Zmarzlik - World Class Kasprzak - Club man Wozniak - Club man Karczmarz - Shows Promise Bartkowiak - Reserve Nowacki - ? Kubera - Shows Promise Kolodziej - Journeyman Szlauderbach - Russian? Smektala - Journeyman Drabik - International Class Chugunov - Russian Janowski - World Class Liszka - Reserve Curzytek - ? Hampel - Journeyman Jamrog - Journeyman Lampart - Shows Promise Bober - ? While the Polish league is without doubt the strongest league in the world there's an awful lot of dead Polish wood and unproven talent. I wonder how they manage to implement the " have to have four Poles per team" rule and still comply with European Law? That's probably been done to death somewhere else on these forums anyway Some of your journeymen are not even mid twenties, and reserves are all U/21.Would like to see your definition of deadwood in GB speedway, must be about 70% or more IMO. Edited June 16, 2020 by Fromafar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 1 hour ago, iris123 said: Isn’t or wasn’t Lahkbaum a Russian ? Szlauderbach like Lahkbaum has a Germanic surname anyway. But that wouldn’t be unusual Hampel,Lampart or Glücklich do too Yeah, one of em was a Ruski, couldn't remember which. 5 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Some of your journeymen are not even mid twenties, and reserves are all U/21.Would like to see your definition of deadwood in GB speedway, must be about 70% IMO. My general point is that the Polski's are not the all conquering nation producing world class riders off of a never ending production line that we are sometimes led to believe. The majority of the "Stars" in the Ekstraliga are foreigners Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 1 hour ago, iainb said: Let's look at the "Poles" in the Ekstraliga this year Przedpelski - Club Man Swidnicki - Shows promise Holta - Norwegian Miskowiak - Reserve Kowalski - ? Buczkowski - Journeyman P Pawlicki - World Class P Pawlicki - Club Man Turowski - Reserve Lotarski - Reserve Lakhbaum - Reserve Woryna - Club Man Miedzinski - Journeyman Szczepaniak - Journeyman Klosok - LOL Protasiewicz - Journeyman Tudziez - Reserve Dudek - World Class Krakowiak - Shows Promise Tonder - Reserve Niedzwiedz - ? Zmarzlik - World Class Kasprzak - Club man Wozniak - Club man Karczmarz - Shows Promise Bartkowiak - Reserve Nowacki - ? Kubera - Shows Promise Kolodziej - Journeyman Szlauderbach - Russian? Smektala - Journeyman Drabik - International Class Chugunov - Russian Janowski - World Class Liszka - Reserve Curzytek - ? Hampel - Journeyman Jamrog - Journeyman Lampart - Shows Promise Bober - ? While the Polish league is without doubt the strongest league in the world there's an awful lot of dead Polish wood and unproven talent. I wonder how they manage to implement the " have to have four Poles per team" rule and still comply with European Law? That's probably been done to death somewhere else on these forums anyway Pawlicki, KK, Kolodzei, Hampel, and Protasiewicz have all been good enough to qualify for the GP's, with several winning GP's so shows just how strong the Polish system is to bring this many through to the top table. . GB would have loved to have had that level of rider (who may be 'club and journey men' now) over the years.. As would every other country in the world.. And of those five (as well as a few other 'club and journey men' listed) some would still be very worthy, and some at least challenging, for a top 3 place in many of the Premiership teams over here.. With Musielak to add to that from Div 2 and Miesiac too, who has become a genuine heat leader in Polands top league in the past two years.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 7 minutes ago, mikebv said: Pawlicki, KK, Kolodzei, Hampel, and Protasiewicz have all been good enough to qualify for the GP's, with several winning GP's so shows just how strong the Polish system is to bring this many through to the top table. . GB would have loved to have had that level of rider (who may be 'club and journey men' now) over the years.. As would every other country in the world.. And of those five (as well as a few other 'club and journey men' listed) some would still be very worthy, and some at least challenging, for a top 3 place in many of the Premiership teams over here.. With Musielak to add to that from Div 2 and Miesiac too, who has become a genuine heat leader in Polands top league in the past two years.. I'd say only Hampel and KK have been genuinely world class out of that lot so far Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, iainb said: Yeah, one of em was a Ruski, couldn't remember which. My general point is that the Polski's are not the all conquering nation producing world class riders off of a never ending production line that we are sometimes led to believe. The majority of the "Stars" in the Ekstraliga are foreigners To be fair, you could say that about most Sport's that have a "best league in the world" moniker attached to them, as it attracts, by definition, all the best overseas competitors.. The IPL in Cricket has many 'foreign superstars', The RFU Premiership has many 'foreign superstars' and the Premier League in Football has many of the teams where 'foreign superstars' outshine their domestic counterparts. . Considering it's 4/7ths Poland v 3/7ths The Rest of The World in a lot of the teams (we'll ignore Norway and Russian Poles), they don't do too bad.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 6 minutes ago, mikebv said: To be fair, you could say that about most Sport's that have a "best league in the world" moniker attached to them, as it attracts, by definition, all the best overseas competitors.. The IPL in Cricket has many 'foreign superstars', The RFU Premiership has many 'foreign superstars' and the Premier League in Football has many of the teams where 'foreign superstars' outshine their domestic counterparts. . Considering it's 4/7ths Poland v 3/7ths The Rest of The World in a lot of the teams (we'll ignore Norway and Russian Poles), they don't do too bad.. True... I just don't buy that the quality of rider the Polish system produces is anything special. Undoubtedly they've nailed the way to run a successful league. I just think they produce quantity rather than quality when it comes to riders. Just my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 28 minutes ago, iainb said: Yeah, one of em was a Ruski, couldn't remember which. My general point is that the Polski's are not the all conquering nation producing world class riders off of a never ending production line that we are sometimes led to believe. The majority of the "Stars" in the Ekstraliga are foreigners Fair enough, but the Stats show different over the last few seasons if you go by results.If the Gp qualifiers didn’t have limits on Nations entries I think it would show how many are better than the young riders from some of the other Nations than You think IMO .Ekstraliga is very strong and the majority of the Young Poles are on the Pace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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