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5 hours ago, racers and royals said:

We move on to round 2 this weekend with fans now in the stadiums.- all UK times

Friday June 19th Grudziadz v Rybnik programme starts 4.30pm 1st race  5pm Eleven Sport 1 and  Free Sports(5pm)

Friday June 19th Leszno v Wroclaw programme starts 7.15pm 1st race  7.30pm Eleven Sport 1 and Premier Sport 1( 7.30pm)

Sunday June 21st Lublin v Gorzow programme starts 3pm 1st race 3.30pm N Sport and premier Sport 2 (3.30pm)

Sunday June 21st Zielona Gora v Czestochowa programme starts 5.45pm 1st race 6.15pm N Sport and premier Sport  1( delayed ?) 12.45am Monday ?? **

** not sure what Premier are going to do with this match- if they can`t show it live at least they could swap this match to 10.45pm and the repeat of Lublin v Gorzow to 12.45 am !!!

 

 Friday`s away team lineups

Rybnik

1. Troy Batchelor
2. Andrzej Lebiediew
3. Vaclav Milik
4. Mateusz Szczepaniak
5. Kacper Woryna
6. Mateusz Tudzież
7. Kacper Kłosok

 

Wroclaw

1. Daniel Bewley
2. Tai Woffinden
3. Maciej Janowski
4. Max Fricke
5. Maksym Drabik
6. Gleb Czugunow
7. Przemysław Liszka

 

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3 minutes ago, racers and royals said:

 Friday`s away team lineups

Rybnik

1. Troy Batchelor
2. Andrzej Lebiediew
3. Vaclav Milik
4. Mateusz Szczepaniak
5. Kacper Woryna
6. Mateusz Tudzież
7. Kacper Kłosok

 

Wroclaw

1. Daniel Bewley
2. Tai Woffinden
3. Maciej Janowski
4. Max Fricke
5. Maksym Drabik
6. Gleb Czugunow
7. Przemysław Liszka

 

Be interesting if Wuffy rides or they use R/R for him

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Grudziadz line up home to Rybnik on Friday

9 Pedersen

10 Buczkowski

11 Bjerre

12 Prem Pawlicki

13 A Laguta

14 Zielinski

15 Turowski

 

Leszno line up home to Wroclaw on Friday

9 Sayfutdinov

10 Kolodziej

11 Smektala

12 kurtz

13 Piotr Pawlicki

14 Szlauderbach

15 Kubera

 

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5 hours ago, iainb said:

 

Hang on a minute, let's not blow too much smoke up the Poles bottoms... The fact is they have still only produced 3 world champions (ever), have won most of the team cups on their own tracks. even these under 23 (or is it 21) world beating reserves that we see disappear when they get older... where are the reserves of a few years ago now?

Polish teams have to have four Poles per team and not only easily comply but also have several replacements available to replace poor performers and injuries..

All of which will have been U21 at some stage...

An U21 system that brought so many riders through to World Class level, and made them so dominant as a nation, that the FIM had to change the World Cup format to give the others a chance...

Poland might only have had 3 Individual World Champs but as a nation have a strength in depth no other can compete with. .

With much of that strength in depth starting as U21 reserves...

Some, naturally will drop out by the way side,  but many come through..

And to a very elite level..

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1 hour ago, mikebv said:

Polish teams have to have four Poles per team and not only easily comply but also have several replacements available to replace poor performers and injuries..

All of which will have been U21 at some stage...

An U21 system that brought so many riders through to World Class level, and made them so dominant as a nation, that the FIM had to change the World Cup format to give the others a chance...

Poland might only have had 3 Individual World Champs but as a nation have a strength in depth no other can compete with. .

With much of that strength in depth starting as U21 reserves...

Some, naturally will drop out by the way side,  but many come through..

And to a very elite level..

Let's look at the "Poles" in the Ekstraliga this year

Przedpelski    -    Club Man
Swidnicki    -    Shows promise
Holta        -    Norwegian
Miskowiak    -    Reserve
Kowalski    -    ?
Buczkowski    -    Journeyman
P Pawlicki    -    World Class
P Pawlicki    -    Club Man
Turowski    -    Reserve
Lotarski    -    Reserve
Lakhbaum    -    Reserve
Woryna        -    Club Man
Miedzinski    -    Journeyman
Szczepaniak    -    Journeyman
Klosok        -    LOL
Protasiewicz    -    Journeyman
Tudziez        -    Reserve
Dudek        -    World Class
Krakowiak    -    Shows Promise
Tonder        -    Reserve
Niedzwiedz    -    ?
Zmarzlik    -    World Class
Kasprzak    -    Club man
Wozniak        -    Club man
Karczmarz     -    Shows Promise
Bartkowiak    -    Reserve
Nowacki        -    ?
Kubera        -    Shows Promise
Kolodziej    -    Journeyman
Szlauderbach    -    Russian?
Smektala    -    Journeyman
Drabik        -    International Class
Chugunov    -    Russian
Janowski    -    World Class
Liszka        -    Reserve
Curzytek    -    ?
Hampel        -    Journeyman
Jamrog        -    Journeyman
Lampart        -    Shows Promise
Bober        -    ?

While the Polish league is without doubt the strongest league in the world there's an awful lot of dead Polish wood and unproven talent. I wonder how they manage to implement the " have to have four Poles per team" rule and still comply with European Law? That's probably been done to death somewhere else on these forums anyway

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Isn’t or wasn’t Lahkbaum  a Russian ? Szlauderbach like Lahkbaum has a Germanic surname anyway. But that wouldn’t be unusual Hampel,Lampart or Glücklich do too

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25 minutes ago, iainb said:

Let's look at the "Poles" in the Ekstraliga this year

Przedpelski    -    Club Man
Swidnicki    -    Shows promise
Holta        -    Norwegian
Miskowiak    -    Reserve
Kowalski    -    ?
Buczkowski    -    Journeyman
P Pawlicki    -    World Class
P Pawlicki    -    Club Man
Turowski    -    Reserve
Lotarski    -    Reserve
Lakhbaum    -    Reserve
Woryna        -    Club Man
Miedzinski    -    Journeyman
Szczepaniak    -    Journeyman
Klosok        -    LOL
Protasiewicz    -    Journeyman
Tudziez        -    Reserve
Dudek        -    World Class
Krakowiak    -    Shows Promise
Tonder        -    Reserve
Niedzwiedz    -    ?
Zmarzlik    -    World Class
Kasprzak    -    Club man
Wozniak        -    Club man
Karczmarz     -    Shows Promise
Bartkowiak    -    Reserve
Nowacki        -    ?
Kubera        -    Shows Promise
Kolodziej    -    Journeyman
Szlauderbach    -    Russian?
Smektala    -    Journeyman
Drabik        -    International Class
Chugunov    -    Russian
Janowski    -    World Class
Liszka        -    Reserve
Curzytek    -    ?
Hampel        -    Journeyman
Jamrog        -    Journeyman
Lampart        -    Shows Promise
Bober        -    ?

While the Polish league is without doubt the strongest league in the world there's an awful lot of dead Polish wood and unproven talent. I wonder how they manage to implement the " have to have four Poles per team" rule and still comply with European Law? That's probably been done to death somewhere else on these forums anyway

Smektala a Journeyman !!!! you are having a giraffe

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30 minutes ago, racers and royals said:

Smektala a Journeyman !!!! you are having a giraffe

Yes, I'm having a giraffe, got that one wrong, shows promise/international class... Glad you agree with the rest though :D

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7 minutes ago, iainb said:

Go on... Read the rest :t:

The Extraleague top 5 is so hard for the Polish riders coming out of 6 and 7 that they sometimes decide to ride in the E Winner league 1- Michael Gruchalski is an example, top 6/7 for Czestochowa last season has gone to Tarnow for 2020. Another rider i rate is Musielak riding for Torun this season. i agree there is also a lot of " journeyman" Poles in DIv 1

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1 hour ago, iainb said:

Let's look at the "Poles" in the Ekstraliga this year

Przedpelski    -    Club Man
Swidnicki    -    Shows promise
Holta        -    Norwegian
Miskowiak    -    Reserve
Kowalski    -    ?
Buczkowski    -    Journeyman
P Pawlicki    -    World Class
P Pawlicki    -    Club Man
Turowski    -    Reserve
Lotarski    -    Reserve
Lakhbaum    -    Reserve
Woryna        -    Club Man
Miedzinski    -    Journeyman
Szczepaniak    -    Journeyman
Klosok        -    LOL
Protasiewicz    -    Journeyman
Tudziez        -    Reserve
Dudek        -    World Class
Krakowiak    -    Shows Promise
Tonder        -    Reserve
Niedzwiedz    -    ?
Zmarzlik    -    World Class
Kasprzak    -    Club man
Wozniak        -    Club man
Karczmarz     -    Shows Promise
Bartkowiak    -    Reserve
Nowacki        -    ?
Kubera        -    Shows Promise
Kolodziej    -    Journeyman
Szlauderbach    -    Russian?
Smektala    -    Journeyman
Drabik        -    International Class
Chugunov    -    Russian
Janowski    -    World Class
Liszka        -    Reserve
Curzytek    -    ?
Hampel        -    Journeyman
Jamrog        -    Journeyman
Lampart        -    Shows Promise
Bober        -    ?

While the Polish league is without doubt the strongest league in the world there's an awful lot of dead Polish wood and unproven talent. I wonder how they manage to implement the " have to have four Poles per team" rule and still comply with European Law? That's probably been done to death somewhere else on these forums anyway

Some of your journeymen are not even mid twenties, and reserves are all U/21.Would like to see your definition of deadwood in GB speedway, must be about 70% or more IMO.

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1 hour ago, iris123 said:

Isn’t or wasn’t Lahkbaum  a Russian ? Szlauderbach like Lahkbaum has a Germanic surname anyway. But that wouldn’t be unusual Hampel,Lampart or Glücklich do too

Yeah, one of em was a Ruski, couldn't remember which.

5 minutes ago, Fromafar said:

Some of your journeymen are not even mid twenties, and reserves are all U/21.Would like to see your definition of deadwood in GB speedway, must be about 70% IMO.

My general point is that the Polski's are not the all conquering nation producing world class riders off of a never ending production line that we are sometimes led to believe. The majority of the "Stars" in the Ekstraliga are foreigners

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1 hour ago, iainb said:

Let's look at the "Poles" in the Ekstraliga this year

Przedpelski    -    Club Man
Swidnicki    -    Shows promise
Holta        -    Norwegian
Miskowiak    -    Reserve
Kowalski    -    ?
Buczkowski    -    Journeyman
P Pawlicki    -    World Class
P Pawlicki    -    Club Man
Turowski    -    Reserve
Lotarski    -    Reserve
Lakhbaum    -    Reserve
Woryna        -    Club Man
Miedzinski    -    Journeyman
Szczepaniak    -    Journeyman
Klosok        -    LOL
Protasiewicz    -    Journeyman
Tudziez        -    Reserve
Dudek        -    World Class
Krakowiak    -    Shows Promise
Tonder        -    Reserve
Niedzwiedz    -    ?
Zmarzlik    -    World Class
Kasprzak    -    Club man
Wozniak        -    Club man
Karczmarz     -    Shows Promise
Bartkowiak    -    Reserve
Nowacki        -    ?
Kubera        -    Shows Promise
Kolodziej    -    Journeyman
Szlauderbach    -    Russian?
Smektala    -    Journeyman
Drabik        -    International Class
Chugunov    -    Russian
Janowski    -    World Class
Liszka        -    Reserve
Curzytek    -    ?
Hampel        -    Journeyman
Jamrog        -    Journeyman
Lampart        -    Shows Promise
Bober        -    ?

While the Polish league is without doubt the strongest league in the world there's an awful lot of dead Polish wood and unproven talent. I wonder how they manage to implement the " have to have four Poles per team" rule and still comply with European Law? That's probably been done to death somewhere else on these forums anyway

Pawlicki, KK, Kolodzei, Hampel, and Protasiewicz have all been good enough to qualify for the GP's, with several winning GP's so shows just how strong the Polish system is to bring this many through to the top table. .

GB would have loved to have had that level of rider (who may be 'club and journey men' now) over the years..

As would every other country in the world..

And of those five (as well as a few other 'club and journey men' listed) some would still be very worthy, and some at least challenging, for a top 3 place in many of the Premiership teams over here..

With Musielak to add to that from Div 2 and Miesiac too, who has become a genuine heat leader in Polands top league in the past two years..

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7 minutes ago, mikebv said:

Pawlicki, KK, Kolodzei, Hampel, and Protasiewicz have all been good enough to qualify for the GP's, with several winning GP's so shows just how strong the Polish system is to bring this many through to the top table. .

GB would have loved to have had that level of rider (who may be 'club and journey men' now) over the years..

As would every other country in the world..

And of those five (as well as a few other 'club and journey men' listed) some would still be very worthy, and some at least challenging, for a top 3 place in many of the Premiership teams over here..

With Musielak to add to that from Div 2 and Miesiac too, who has become a genuine heat leader in Polands top league in the past two years..

I'd say only Hampel and KK have been genuinely world class out of that lot so far

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4 minutes ago, iainb said:

Yeah, one of em was a Ruski, couldn't remember which.

My general point is that the Polski's are not the all conquering nation producing world class riders off of a never ending production line that we are sometimes led to believe. The majority of the "Stars" in the Ekstraliga are foreigners

To be fair,  you could say that about most Sport's that have a "best league in the world" moniker attached to them, as it attracts, by definition, all the best overseas competitors..

The IPL in Cricket has many 'foreign superstars', The RFU Premiership has many 'foreign superstars' and the Premier League in Football has many of the teams where 'foreign superstars' outshine their domestic counterparts. .

Considering it's 4/7ths Poland v 3/7ths The Rest of The World in a lot of the teams (we'll ignore Norway and Russian Poles:D), they don't do too bad..

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6 minutes ago, mikebv said:

To be fair,  you could say that about most Sport's that have a "best league in the world" moniker attached to them, as it attracts, by definition, all the best overseas competitors..

The IPL in Cricket has many 'foreign superstars', The RFU Premiership has many 'foreign superstars' and the Premier League in Football has many of the teams where 'foreign superstars' outshine their domestic counterparts. .

Considering it's 4/7ths Poland v 3/7ths The Rest of The World in a lot of the teams (we'll ignore Norway and Russian Poles:D), they don't do too bad..

True... I just don't buy that the quality of rider the Polish system produces is anything special. Undoubtedly they've nailed the way to run a successful league. I just think they produce quantity rather than quality when it comes to riders. Just my opinion

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28 minutes ago, iainb said:

Yeah, one of em was a Ruski, couldn't remember which.

My general point is that the Polski's are not the all conquering nation producing world class riders off of a never ending production line that we are sometimes led to believe. The majority of the "Stars" in the Ekstraliga are foreigners

Fair enough, but the Stats show different over the last few seasons if you go by results.If the Gp qualifiers didn’t have limits on Nations entries I think it would show how many are better than the young riders from some of the other Nations than You think IMO .Ekstraliga is very strong and the majority of the Young Poles are on the Pace.

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