chunky Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, acef said: Answer is in the bikes. They work on dry slick surfaces, and don’t work on hard grippy ones. The track yesterday was rideable 15 years ago. The evolution of the bikes is the bigger issue vs track prep. I agree, but it seems that it would have been okay for ONE bike, but not racing. A practice session would have got rid of the heavy grippy surface, wouldn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 35 minutes ago, chunky said: I agree, but it seems that it would have been okay for ONE bike, but not racing. A practice session would have got rid of the heavy grippy surface, wouldn't it? I doubt it. The rain was very heavy and I think polish tracks are clay based, which would probably retain water a little longer. I may well be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 35 minutes ago, chunky said: I agree, but it seems that it would have been okay for ONE bike, but not racing. A practice session would have got rid of the heavy grippy surface, wouldn't it? agree give then all a few laps to turn the dirt over ,some wouldn’t want to dirty their gear though.No fans so unless there was a curfew why not ! Technology rules the sport and they don’t want to sort it out like all other forms of motorbike sports have done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric i Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 Will Maksym Drabik's points be retrospectively expunged if found guilty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Speedy swindon pete said: Can’t believe I’m reading posts giving riders stick for not fancying it at Częstochowa yesterday. Riders have been waiting nearly 3 months to start racing and are going to have far less meetings to make money from than they usually would in a season. It can’t come as a surprise to see them not wanting to ride on an incredibly unpredictable track on their first meeting back in anger. There were no fans in the stadium to turn away and with no other racing, easy to rearrange for a few days time where the weather and track should be better. The performance of the bikes is a different argument and agree that things need to be done to make them better in a wider range of conditions, but we are where we are with that at the moment. Yes we are where we are but that problem has been around for a few years now, when do you think would be a good time to actually start to address the problem ? Or shall we just wait 20 years and see if global warming kicks in and we get drier weather, proactive sports prosper, reactive sports suffer, sadly speedway is neither and fans have the same debates for ever after until they get fed up and don’t go anymore Edited June 13, 2020 by THE DEAN MACHINE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted June 13, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 14 minutes ago, eric i said: Will Maksym Drabik's points be retrospectively expunged if found guilty? No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 2 hours ago, RobMcCaffery said: You'd think with the money they're paying out the promoters would have more control. I wonder if last night was a small rebellion against the reduced pay rates and sign-on fees? The rebels better watch their step then,if that was the case then.IMO You don’t mess with Polish Promoters there is only one winner there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Goddard Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 Has a decision been made re Iversen for tomorrow yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 35 minutes ago, Dave Goddard said: Has a decision been made re Iversen for tomorrow yet? According to Sportowefakty, Iversen is definitely not riding. It looks like that they will operate rider replacement for him, which means that Bartosz gets an extra ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted June 13, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 38 minutes ago, Dave Goddard said: Has a decision been made re Iversen for tomorrow yet? They won`t want to publicise to Leszno what they are going to do until the very last minute( 60 mins before the start probably)- as i said yesterday if they use R/R NKI won`t be able to ride for 14 days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy The Rebel Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 23 minutes ago, KeirStarmerFan said: According to Sportowefakty, Iversen is definitely not riding. It looks like that they will operate rider replacement for him, which means that Bartosz gets an extra ride. How's that right one above him is Wozniak ,if they do that apparently he can't ride for 14days after is that right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 3 hours ago, Fromafar said: The rebels better watch their step then,if that was the case then.IMO You don’t mess with Polish Promoters there is only one winner there. Do they have many headless horses over there? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted June 13, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 From Sportowefakty article today- google translation " Of course, you can also find pros throughout this story. Substitute a competitor is six runs for world champion Bartosz Zmarzlik." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 8 hours ago, Najjer said: There is so much more on offer when you compare Polish speedway to British speedway - and the whole spectacle you mention is exactly right. Going to a big stadium with a great atmosphere would make it an enjoyable experience even for someone who wasn’t a fan. When you compare that to riders going round on a clapped out pick up truck in Britain with a track in a field and 80s music being played through tinny speakers, it’s just not anywhere near the same experience. That’s before you even get into the speedway itself on offer. A lot boils down to the money on offer but Poland have nailed it and is the absolute pinnacle of team speedway. British speedway now just has to do what it can to get by. But it's Poland, I live in the UK, my team are the King's Lynn Stars, I couldn't give two hoots about any Polish team 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 2 hours ago, RobMcCaffery said: Do they have many headless horses over there? Yip. Imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, Najjer said: There is so much more on offer when you compare Polish speedway to British speedway - and the whole spectacle you mention is exactly right. Going to a big stadium with a great atmosphere would make it an enjoyable experience even for someone who wasn’t a fan. When you compare that to riders going round on a clapped out pick up truck in Britain with a track in a field and 80s music being played through tinny speakers, it’s just not anywhere near the same experience. That’s before you even get into the speedway itself on offer. A lot boils down to the money on offer but Poland have nailed it and is the absolute pinnacle of team speedway. British speedway now just has to do what it can to get by. The backing Poland has is also a huge sway. I was watching a video last week, I think it was the PM or a significant political person who happens to be a huge speedway fan. All the local councils back it, they have great tv and other sponsorships. That they have started racing with empty stadiums tells you everything. If we did that here, it would implode. When you have a set of circumstances like that it’s so easy to build a successful business. Until local councils invest in speedway as a leisure business instead of approving stadium demolitions, then we will never have the chance to replicate what happens over there. And of course they won’t do that if there isn’t demand, and dwindling supporter numbers really does drive that, and that is where promoters can step in and start to change the demographic of supporter. If we had full stadiums, big sponsorship and great tv deals there is no way half of what happens today would be occurring. It happens because next to nobody cares. We haven’t recycled the supporter base and that is ultimately what will kill the sport here. Sometimes sports just fly in certain places. Football in this nation is huge, but conversely has nowhere near the following in Poland. It’s horses for courses and it would seem the UK at the moment doesn’t have a horse. Edited June 14, 2020 by acef 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 9 hours ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: Yes we are where we are but that problem has been around for a few years now, when do you think would be a good time to actually start to address the problem ? Or shall we just wait 20 years and see if global warming kicks in and we get drier weather, proactive sports prosper, reactive sports suffer, sadly speedway is neither and fans have the same debates for ever after until they get fed up and don’t go anymore Who would govern that type of change? The FIM? If it isn’t happening, then I’d guess someone is stopping it, and it’s probably Poland. They are the big house and what they have is working. They won’t want to mess with that. There would be a huge cost implication and the general balance of how the sport operates would be hurt. Engine tuners, riders, clubs, promoters. They’d all have something to say about it. What you are suggesting is a pretty big reform and stuff like that tends not to happen unless something with lots of power and backing says so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted June 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 (edited) 18 hours ago, racers and royals said: We move on to tomorrow- weather forecast looks good. Sunday June 14th Rybnik v Zielona Gora programme starts 3pm 1st race 3.30pm N Sport and Premier Sport Sunday June 14th Gorzow v Leszno programme starts 5.45pm 1st race 6.15pm N Sport and Premier Sport Links http://www.maniak.tv/mk7 http://www.drhtv.com.pl/drhtv-3.html http://spedway.ucoz.lv/ Downloadable racecard for Rybnik match http://row.rybnik.com.pl/pliki/ROW program - 2020-07-14 falubaz - WEB.pdf pages 10 and 11 Add https://daddylive.live/channels/stream-16.php Downloadable racecard for Gorzow match is available on the pge ekstraliga app( i can`t link the pdf) Edited June 14, 2020 by racers and royals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted June 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 Named as 14 for Rybnik Przemyslaw Giera is injured so a replacement will be named an hour before the match i suspect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Eck Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 What other forms of regular motor sport take place in Poland? In UK there are many bike and car racing circuits, large and small plus local moto-x, trials, grass track, karting, rallying activities, but I never see anything about Poland. There must be some activity because there have been a few top class drivers like Robert Kubica but maybe the success of speedway in Poland is partly down to the lack of alternatives? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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