HGould Posted May 1, 2020 Report Share Posted May 1, 2020 16 hours ago, Falcon1983 said: Nothing wrong with Kemp think he is in our Top 5 "young guns" well on my list he is anyway Wasn't picking on him but feel that 2020 or whenever is a big year for him at CL level as will start as reserve but will need to step up on last season if he's to keep up with likes of Flint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted May 1, 2020 Report Share Posted May 1, 2020 22 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said: The difference with Poland protecting the under 21's is that they take an interest in the riders at a much earlier stage, offer them junior team places, sponsorship's, guidance etc the whole package to make them feel involved with the parent clubs. There is then a bond created and a two way respect generated. In the UK the instant smash hits are snapped up, thrown in at the deep and and thrown to the Wolves if it is too early for them. There is a whole lot more than talent required to make it as a speedway rider even to a decent level, determination and funding play a major factor and is where a lot of potential good riders fall by the wayside. Hopefully that's clearly changing now with No Limits / Poultec becoming Team GB Young Rider Academy. Very impressed with Speedway Star and other articles explaining the transition and plans. The fact that it's not under the control of vested interests of BSPA any more but independent and progressive people like Rob Painter and Ian Sinderson with some impressive back up is a big plus for the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted May 1, 2020 Report Share Posted May 1, 2020 44 minutes ago, HGould said: Hopefully that's clearly changing now with No Limits / Poultec becoming Team GB Young Rider Academy. Very impressed with Speedway Star and other articles explaining the transition and plans. The fact that it's not under the control of vested interests of BSPA any more but independent and progressive people like Rob Painter and Ian Sinderson with some impressive back up is a big plus for the future. 100%, however the BSPA need to guarantee spaces in teams for the lads as they develop.. No point in developing talent then leaving it to fend for itself in its formative stages and years.. There needs to be a clear development plan, with milestones in place for each individual.. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted May 1, 2020 Report Share Posted May 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, mikebv said: 100%, however the BSPA need to guarantee spaces in teams for the lads as they develop.. No point in developing talent then leaving it to fend for itself in its formative stages and years.. There needs to be a clear development plan, with milestones in place for each individual.. Totally agree. I agree with your idea of protected U21 reserves. It is sad that in the Championship so many Clubs still prefer to bring in often unproven foreign riders sometimes on false averages they cannot attain rather than invest in British riders. My Club seems sometimes to be obsessed with that. The asset system though has a lot to answer for as some big Clubs sweep up riders and once on asset list do little to help them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*JJ Posted May 1, 2020 Report Share Posted May 1, 2020 1 minute ago, HGould said: Totally agree. I agree with your idea of protected U21 reserves. It is sad that in the Championship so many Clubs still prefer to bring in often unproven foreign riders sometimes on false averages they cannot attain rather than invest in British riders. My Club seems sometimes to be obsessed with that. The asset system though has a lot to answer for as some big Clubs sweep up riders and once on asset list do little to help them. Actually, the present Brummies promotion is trying to help new riders, with some success. However, the previous Mole/Drury promotion didn't care and wouldn't do anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzac Posted May 1, 2020 Report Share Posted May 1, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, mikebv said: 100%, however the BSPA need to guarantee spaces in teams for the lads as they develop.. No point in developing talent then leaving it to fend for itself in its formative stages and years.. There needs to be a clear development plan, with milestones in place for each individual.. That's why I'm so pleased with my club Eastbourne, Brennen and Edwards seem to be part of a long term plan and never seem to be put under undue pressure by the management or fan's, hopefully Drew Kemp will fall into that plan as well although not being a club asset may hamper us with him. Kemp and Edwards at reserve, happy days. Even if this season is a write off, imagine we'll be doing exactly the same next year. Edited May 1, 2020 by gazzac 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted May 1, 2020 Report Share Posted May 1, 2020 1 hour ago, *JJ said: Actually, the present Brummies promotion is trying to help new riders, with some success. However, the previous Mole/Drury promotion didn't care and wouldn't do anything. JJ they are more now but we did sign a couple of Danes last season when may be better options at the time available in the UK now snapped up elsewhere. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted May 1, 2020 Report Share Posted May 1, 2020 3 hours ago, *JJ said: Actually, the present Brummies promotion is trying to help new riders, with some success. However, the previous Mole/Drury promotion didn't care and wouldn't do anything. Its that old chestnut of clubs trying to win silverware above all else.. Which is laudable for me if that success brings untold fame and riches on a global scale.. However, winning any UK Speedway competition brings you none of this, so surely there has to be one day that will dawn when this realisation sets in, and several of them finally realise that they will get far more long term success if they invested in British young talent as a collective, nurtured it and developed it to the highest level... Making this country the clear No1 Speedway nation for several years would have a far, far greater positive impact to the sport in terms of publicity and sponsorship value than ANY team winning a domestic trophy.. Just like it worked in the 'halcyon days' of the 70's when England (as it was then) filled back pages of newspapers and had TV companies wanting to show coverage at peak time Saturday afternoon of their victories at World level.. Does anyone really think that would have happened if the Danes for example had ruled the 70's? Of course not.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*JJ Posted May 2, 2020 Report Share Posted May 2, 2020 21 hours ago, HGould said: JJ they are more now but we did sign a couple of Danes last season when may be better options at the time available in the UK now snapped up elsewhere. Probaly that was due to having joined the Championship at the last minute, resulting in the very weak team! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted May 2, 2020 Report Share Posted May 2, 2020 With the situation as it is at the moment there a reason now to ensure riders like Kinsley, Hume, get places at Championship clubs.Also these riders should be guaranteed prolonged run's in a team not just replaced when the averages allow.Stoneman for me is a prime example a rider i like he is a racer popular with the fans yet if he averages well under three he could get replaced.Bickley at Worky could not buy a point yet they persevered with him and he has made unspectacular progress ever since. Winning should be placed alongside producing English riders now is a chance to stop mediocre foreign talent getting team spots will that ever happen probably not.For me out of all our young talent out there Brennan, Kemp, Palin are the ones that i think can push on.Young Kemp riding in the top five at Sheffield showed that he can mix it and with this investment in equipment could make real progress. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skodaman Posted May 2, 2020 Report Share Posted May 2, 2020 20 hours ago, mikebv said: Its that old chestnut of clubs trying to win silverware above all else.. Which is laudable for me if that success brings untold fame and riches on a global scale.. However, winning any UK Speedway competition brings you none of this, so surely there has to be one day that will dawn when this realisation sets in, and several of them finally realise that they will get far more long term success if they invested in British young talent as a collective, nurtured it and developed it to the highest level... Making this country the clear No1 Speedway nation for several years would have a far, far greater positive impact to the sport in terms of publicity and sponsorship value than ANY team winning a domestic trophy.. Just like it worked in the 'halcyon days' of the 70's when England (as it was then) filled back pages of newspapers and had TV companies wanting to show coverage at peak time Saturday afternoon of their victories at World level.. Does anyone really think that would have happened if the Danes for example had ruled the 70's? Of course not.. If your team is doing well, the crowds will increase. Leicester, last season is a good example. How many of this seasons championship teams have two young brits at reserve this season (if it goes ahead). Leicester, Eastbourne and Belle Vue for starters, are there any others? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabba59 Posted May 2, 2020 Report Share Posted May 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Skodaman said: If your team is doing well, the crowds will increase. Leicester, last season is a good example. How many of this seasons championship teams have two young brits at reserve this season (if it goes ahead). Leicester, Eastbourne and Belle Vue for starters, are there any others? Think redcar have two at reserve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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