Sidney the robin Posted May 20, 2020 Report Share Posted May 20, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, DC2 said: Actually it would be speedway’s chance to start taking the nails out of the coffin and lifting the lid on the realisation that it needs to live within its means. As for the admission fee, yes, you would imagine that no flights and fewer big names would result in a lower one, just the same as the different price levels between the PL, the CL and the NL now. I totally agree 100 per cent but lots of supporters would not,even some of the diehards.Would you pay 18.00 for the line up you suggested ? when they have tried the 10 pound offer before it never really worked.This is why Speedway in this Country let's itself down no forward thinking nobody in power asking the sort of Questions you asked why not? they have plenty of time on there hands.I always feel that in SOME cases ( not the Swindon the promotion ( i.e.) Kilby / Rossiter) that some promoters make it a promoter v supporter battle.The supporter not being valued and listened to where would you get this attitude in any other business.As you say there is a chance now to change the model but to do that you need to interact with the supporter/ customer is that that to difficult.? Edited May 20, 2020 by Sidney the robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted May 20, 2020 Report Share Posted May 20, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Sidney the robin said: I totally agree 100 per cent but lots of supporters would not,even some of the diehards.Would you pay 18.00 for the line up you suggested ? when they have tried the 10 pound offer before it never really worked.This is why Speedway in this Country let's itself down no forward thinking nobody in power asking the sort of Questions you asked why not? they have plenty of time on there hands.I always feel that in SOME cases ( not the Swindon the promotion ( i.e.) Kilby / Rossiter) that some promoters make it a promoter v supporter battle.The supporter not being valued and listened to where would you get this attitude in any other business.As you say there is a chance now to change the model but to do that you need to interact with the supporter/ customer is that that to difficult.? I think it would be a pretty easy sell: ”Hey, fans, the Covid ban has ended and speedway can now run but we can’t fly in the continental stars due to quarantines, so we’re going to try a domestic league with a reduced admission fee. Will you support us or would you rather have no speedway this year?” Edited May 20, 2020 by DC2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted May 20, 2020 Report Share Posted May 20, 2020 The riders that are left - especially those expected to be heat leaders - would still demand a decent financial package. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted May 20, 2020 Report Share Posted May 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Skidder1 said: The riders that are left - especially those expected to be heat leaders - would still demand a decent financial package. I’m quite sure that promoters know full well the pay expectations of riders and what might be acceptable to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted May 20, 2020 Report Share Posted May 20, 2020 2 hours ago, DC2 said: I think it would be a pretty easy sell: ”Hey, fans, the Covid ban has ended and speedway can now run but we can’t fly in the continental stars due to quarantines, so we’re going to try a domestic league with a reduced admission fee. Will you support us or would you rather have no speedway this year?” I'll take whatever's on offer, but i fear i might be in the minority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted May 20, 2020 Report Share Posted May 20, 2020 1 hour ago, cityrebel said: I'll take whatever's on offer, but i fear i might be in the minority. I am with you City i would be happy anough, but i am not so sure about the majority.Also there could be a percentage of the supporters who have got used to not going now because of the shutdown.And it might take alot more than this on offer to entice them back, it could of course have the opposite effect where people have really missed the sport and will put up with anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted May 20, 2020 Report Share Posted May 20, 2020 15 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said: I am with you City i would be happy anough, but i am not so sure about the majority.Also there could be a percentage of the supporters who have got used to not going now because of the shutdown.And it might take alot more than this on offer to entice them back, it could of course have the opposite effect where people have really missed the sport and will put up with anything. The age of the average speedway fan will have an effect, plus financial hardship will impact upon a lot of people. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted May 20, 2020 Report Share Posted May 20, 2020 22 minutes ago, cityrebel said: The age of the average speedway fan will have an effect, plus financial hardship will impact upon a lot of people. It isnt hard to be pessimistic is it given the already parlous state of the Sport.. If nothing else it may give those who run the sport a moment or two to reflect on why their sport always seems to live on a knife edge re how many teams last the season/start the following one, and provide them with the inspiration to change things.. There does seem to be a few more pro active promotions about now so some maybe have already realised that the 'same old/same old' simply doesnt get the cut through anymore, and actually be able to influence the radical change needed to move the whole sport as an entity forward.. What an opportunity in this enforced break to do so, as when the sport returns I would think it gets a 'free hit' as to what it can put out.. Be interesting to see if tracks do something 'different' and gauge reaction from their output.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted May 20, 2020 Report Share Posted May 20, 2020 7 minutes ago, mikebv said: It isnt hard to be pessimistic is it given the already parlous state of the Sport.. If nothing else it may give those who run the sport a moment or two to reflect on why their sport always seems to live on a knife edge re how many teams last the season/start the following one, and provide them with the inspiration to change things.. There does seem to be a few more pro active promotions about now so some maybe have already realised that the 'same old/same old' simply doesnt get the cut through anymore, and actually be able to influence the radical change needed to move the whole sport as an entity forward.. What an opportunity in this enforced break to do so, as when the sport returns I would think it gets a 'free hit' as to what it can put out.. Be interesting to see if tracks do something 'different' and gauge reaction from their output.. It will be interesting to see how many tracks return after the enforced break, especially if it runs into 2021. Some stadiums might be forced to close, with next to no income. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted May 20, 2020 Report Share Posted May 20, 2020 14 minutes ago, mikebv said: It isnt hard to be pessimistic is it given the already parlous state of the Sport.. If nothing else it may give those who run the sport a moment or two to reflect on why their sport always seems to live on a knife edge re how many teams last the season/start the following one, and provide them with the inspiration to change things.. There does seem to be a few more pro active promotions about now so some maybe have already realised that the 'same old/same old' simply doesnt get the cut through anymore, and actually be able to influence the radical change needed to move the whole sport as an entity forward.. What an opportunity in this enforced break to do so, as when the sport returns I would think it gets a 'free hit' as to what it can put out.. Be interesting to see if tracks do something 'different' and gauge reaction from their output.. Who do you view as the "few more proactive promotions" You seem one of the more realistic progressives yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortythirtyeight Posted May 20, 2020 Report Share Posted May 20, 2020 But he's not a promoter and it will be the same promoters who have governed the sport for the last few years who will be running it again whenever we start up. The few ' new ones ' messers Jensen ( Rye House ) Morgan ( Workington ) Rathbone ( Peterborough ), Phillips ( Newcastle ) , and Kay ( Redcar ) all of whom had ' new ideas ' didn't hang around long for various reasons and all had issues of some sort with the sports governors , it appeared, and with only one of the young Courtney's left at Berwick and Smith / Lemon at Belle Vue to bring fresh ideas to the table you have got to wonder where the change of direction will come from. We can hope for a miracle but then we are all waiting for another major one to get us out of the current situation and they don't come around that often. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted May 20, 2020 Report Share Posted May 20, 2020 2 hours ago, cityrebel said: I'll take whatever's on offer, but i fear i might be in the minority. I think there’ll be a big bounce back when we’re finally released from the lockdown! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris116 Posted May 20, 2020 Report Share Posted May 20, 2020 I have heard on the radio news that at least two large Universities have said that all teaching for the 2020/21 year ending in June 2021 will be web based as they think that social distancing will still be in place! That could really cause problems to all sports, concerts and life in general! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 20, 2020 Report Share Posted May 20, 2020 5 minutes ago, Chris116 said: I have heard on the radio news that at least two large Universities have said that all teaching for the 2020/21 year ending in June 2021 will be web based as they think that social distancing will still be in place! That could really cause problems to all sports, concerts and life in general! Have you not got the 'new normal' message? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 20, 2020 Report Share Posted May 20, 2020 1 hour ago, DC2 said: I think there’ll be a big bounce back when we’re finally released from the lockdown! If.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted May 20, 2020 Report Share Posted May 20, 2020 2 hours ago, DC2 said: I think there’ll be a big bounce back when we’re finally released from the lockdown! Bounce back to what and when ?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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