steve roberts Posted April 19, 2020 Report Share Posted April 19, 2020 (edited) Following on from a similar thread it got me pondering which team in the lower league produced the most riders for the upper or at least started their careers at that track as loanees? Eastbourne would take some beating - Dave Jessup, the Kennett Brothers, Malcolm Ballard, Bobby McNeil, Roger Johns, Trevor Geer, Paul Gachet, Neil Middleditch, Steve Weatherley, Colin Richardson, Martin Dugard , Hugh Saunders, Paul Woods. Boston/King's Lynn II - Michael Lee (Mildenhall?), David Gagen, Ray Bales, Carl Glover, Arthur Price, Ian Turner, Russell Osborne, Keith Bloxsome, Derek Harrison, Tony Featherstone Rochdale/Belle Vue II - Peter Collins, Alan Wilkinson, Eric Broadbelt, Graham Drury, Paul Tyrer, Ken Eyre Mildenhall - Melvyn Taylor, Kevin Jolly, Richard Knight. Peterborough - Richard Greer, John Davis, Frank Smith, Kevin Hawkins, Ian Clark, Nigel Flatman, Tim Hunt I'm sure there are many more examples - Rye House, Rayleigh, Canterbury etc etc. Edited April 21, 2020 by steve roberts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted April 19, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2020 (edited) On 4/19/2020 at 7:47 AM, steve roberts said: Canterbury - Barry Crowson, Barry Thomas, Dave Gooderham, Trevor Jones, Ted Hubbard, Les Rumsey, Dave Mullett Crewe - Keith White, Ian Cartwright, Dave Morton, Les Collins, Chris Turner Birmingham - Mick Hines, Mike Lanham, the Graham Brothers Ipswich - John Louis, Tony Davey, Ted Howgego, John Harrhy, Pete Bailey Long Eaton - Malcolm Shakespeare, Geoff Bouchard, Alan Molyneux Middlesbrough - Graham Plant, Tom Leadbitter, Frank Auffret, Alan Emerson, Gary Havelock, Martin Dixon Rayleigh - Geoff Maloney, Laurie Etheridge Rye House - Bob Garrod, Ashley Pullen, Marvyn Cox, Kevin Smith, Andrew Silver, Alastair Stevens Ellesmere Port - Chris Morton, Phil Collins, the Carr Brothers, Eric Monaghan, Geoff Pusey Edited April 21, 2020 by steve roberts duplicate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted April 19, 2020 Report Share Posted April 19, 2020 Really, Steve? You left out Canterbury's David Mullett? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted April 19, 2020 Report Share Posted April 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, chunky said: Really, Steve? You left out Canterbury's David Mullett? And Jamie Luckhurst ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted April 19, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2020 7 minutes ago, chunky said: Really, Steve? You left out Canterbury's David Mullett? Crumbs yes! I remember his formative years at Reading (1985?) when he used to double up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted April 19, 2020 Report Share Posted April 19, 2020 Just now, iris123 said: And Jamie Luckhurst ? Jamie never established himself in the top division; that's why I didn't mention him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted April 19, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2020 1 minute ago, iris123 said: And Jamie Luckhurst ? Crikey yes...another one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted April 19, 2020 Report Share Posted April 19, 2020 Just now, steve roberts said: Crumbs yes! I remember his formative years at Reading (1985?) when he used to double up. He never achieved what he should have done, but he was a very capable rider, and I always liked him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted April 19, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2020 Just now, chunky said: Jamie never established himself in the top division; that's why I didn't mention him. Yes you're right...I seem to remember he doubled up for a short while at Ipswich? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted April 19, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2020 1 minute ago, chunky said: He never achieved what he should have done, but he was a very capable rider, and I always liked him. ...especially in partnership with Per Jonsson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted April 19, 2020 Report Share Posted April 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, chunky said: Jamie never established himself in the top division; that's why I didn't mention him. Yes, you are right. Tbh I actually have him better in my memory as he actually was, or at least achieved Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted April 19, 2020 Report Share Posted April 19, 2020 1 minute ago, iris123 said: Yes, you are right. Tbh I actually have him better in my memory as he actually was, or at least achieved He was another waste of talent, and he pulled that "God" stunt to give himself the publicity! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted April 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2020 (edited) Oxford - Simon Cross (until he 'fell out' with Ashley Pullen), John Grahame Barrow - Joe Owen, Mark Courtenay Sunderland - Vic Harding Weymouth - Tony Lomas, Simon Wigg, Steve Schofield Stoke - Steve Bastable, Brian Woodward, Martin Yeates Scunthorpe - Phil White, Colin Cook Workington - Mitch Graham Reading - Mick Bell, Richard May, Bernie Leigh Plymouth - Mike Cake, Bob Coles Newcastle - Kenny Carter, Martin Scarisbrick Glasgow - the McKinna Brothers Romford - Mike Sampson, Kevin Holden Doncaster - Doug Wyer, Reg Wilson Edited April 23, 2020 by steve roberts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted April 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2020 Of course if you were to add riders who appeared as number eights or occasional cover the likes of Tom Owen, John Jackson & Steve Lawson would be included. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted April 21, 2020 Report Share Posted April 21, 2020 1 hour ago, steve roberts said: Of course if you were to add riders who appeared as number eights or occasional cover the likes of Tom Owen, John Jackson & Steve Lawson would be included. Yes Owen, Jackson, Sampson, Lawson, ( Perks was he one of the first to ever go full time without any other league experience??) were all great cover.There was always that saying of being a big fish at a lower level but all those riders were BL riders in there own right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted April 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2020 31 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said: Yes Owen, Jackson, Sampson, Lawson, ( Perks was he one of the first to ever go full time without any other league experience??) were all great cover.There was always that saying of being a big fish at a lower level but all those riders were BL riders in there own right. Yes Dave Perks (a very classy rider at Oxford for a couple of years) ignored the opportunity of plying his trade in the old Second Division (although I think that he had a few rides for Scunthorpe?) preferring to concentrate on riding in the Division One. Others who instantly come to mind were Jeremy Doncaster, Kelvin Tatum, Andy Smith, Joe Screen and Sean Wilson ( alhough he did replace Peter McNamara as Sheffield's compulsory junior in 1986 if I remember?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted April 21, 2020 Report Share Posted April 21, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, steve roberts said: Oxford - Simon Cross (until he 'fell out' with Ashley Pullen), John Grahame Barrow - Joe Owen, Mark Courtenay Sunderland - Vic Harding Weymouth - Tony Lomas, Simon Wigg, Steve Schofield Stoke - Steve Bastable, Brian Woodward, Martin Yeates Scunthorpe - Phil White, Colin Cook Workington - Mitch Graham Reading - Mick Bell, Richard May, Bernie Leigh Plymouth - Mike Cake, Bob Coles Newcastle - Kenny Carter, Martin Scarisbrick Glasgow - the McKinna Brothers West Ham - Alan Sage, Mike Sampson, Kevin Holden Doncaster - Doug Wyer, Reg Wilson Firstly, I know it's YOUR thread, so you make the rules, but are we now including all riders who just made an appearance in the top division, rather than ones who actually established themselves at the higher level? Secondly, you have already listed Martin Yeates as Eastbourne. Thirdly, Kevin Holden started his career at Romford, not West Ham. Edited April 21, 2020 by chunky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted April 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, chunky said: Firstly, I know it's YOUR thread, so you make the rules, but are we now including all riders who just made an appearance in the top division, rather than ones who actually established themselves at the higher level? Secondly, you have already listed Martin Yeates as Eastbourne. Thirdly, Kevin Holden started his career at Romford, not West Ham. I had removed Martin Yeates from Eastbourne however the list is subjective and I'm going from memory which is not always reliable which is why I'm constantly re-editing my original lists. However most of the riders I listed rode at least one full season in the upper with a few exceptions. Derek Harrison for example moved up from Milton Keynes to ride full-time at King's Lynn but it only lasted for a few matches before he returned to the National League (my local team as it happens). Mike Sampson was another who moved up to Exeter full-time but reverted back to Eastbourne when things didn't work out plus Les Rumsey. Riders who made apearances as recognise number eights there are a bundle of examples which is an altogether different criteria. As regards riders who just made an appearance in the top divison that was a diversionary observation based on Sid's post. Of course many riders began/finished their careers in the upper league under the compulsory junior ruling which operated for three (?) seasons. Edited April 21, 2020 by steve roberts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted April 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2020 Newport - Jim Brett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted April 21, 2020 Report Share Posted April 21, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, steve roberts said: Yes Dave Perks (a very classy rider at Oxford for a couple of years) ignored the opportunity of plying his trade in the old Second Division (although I think that he had a few rides for Scunthorpe?) preferring to concentrate on riding in the Division One. Others who instantly come to mind were Jeremy Doncaster, Kelvin Tatum, Andy Smith, Joe Screen and Sean Wilson ( alhough he did replace Peter McNamara as Sheffield's compulsory junior in 1986 if I remember?) Others that i can remember just going straight into the BL Rob Foy, Graves, Eccles( useful was he a promoted junior??) Edited April 21, 2020 by Sidney the robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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