BOBBATH Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 You are right Sid and Falcace, I think its disgusting how people on this most interesting thread are focusing on Cradley's pork sarnies I for one am searching out food websites for posh recipes and restaurants and also Jamie Olivers site (who wants to eat those friggin' veggies as per his School Dinners show)Thus I will never mention the CH pork sarnies on this thread ever again!!. They weren't half good though!!!!!!!!!!!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrub Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 6 hours ago, steve roberts said: ? One of the things I really liked about Cradley was that little bit of 'edge' on the terraces, much more fun than the dull, morgue like atmosphere you get at speedway today. Good race track too and pork sarnies a must. I'm sure the banter there back then was top notch - if I could understand a word the locals were saying....! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 Just now, Shrub said: One of the things I really liked about Cradley was that little bit of 'edge' on the terraces, much more fun than the dull, morgue like atmosphere you get at speedway today. Good race track too and pork sarnies a must. I'm sure the banter there back then was top notch - if I could understand a word the locals were saying....! Yes we at Oxford used to have some 'fun' with their fans...mostly good banter but occasionally it would get out of hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Sidney the robin said: Is it sensible really??? i see both sides of the argument do you really think Tai was as passionate of riding for Great Britain as Peter Collins.? No way in my opinion he kept his options open Tai for me in my humble opinion comes behind Craven, Collins, Lee, (i.e.) in my humble opinion he never EVER won a one off final. Opinions don't matter here; FACT does. Everything falcace said is true. You are right when you say Tai never ever won a one-off final; he wasn't riding then... Edited April 17, 2020 by chunky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 1 minute ago, chunky said: Opinions don't matter here; FACT does. Everything false said is true. You are right when you say Tai never ever won a one-off final; he wasn't riding then... Both the PC's and Lee never had the chance to express themselves in a GP format Chunky ??? . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said: Both the PC's and Lee never had the chance to express themselves in a GP format Chunky ??? . What has that got to do with anything? FYI, bloody autocorrect changed "falcace" to false, so I don't know if that threw you... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 15 minutes ago, chunky said: Opinions don't matter here; FACT does. Everything false said is true. You are right when you say Tai never ever won a one-off final; he wasn't riding then... Good old Chunky FACT really dream on in your your own mind it might. Av a rethink Chunky on this post the arrogance of yourself is embarrassing . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 1 minute ago, chunky said: What has that got to do with anything? FYI, bloody autocorrect changed "falcace" to false, so I don't know if that threw you... Nothing threw me but you dont like to be challenged do you? never have.!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said: Good old Chunky FACT really dream on in your your own mind it might. Av a rethink Chunky on this post the arrogance of yourself is embarrassing . Why do you get so offended when someone has the temerity to disagree with your arrogance and biased opinions? I know you believe that your opinion is far more important than truth and fact, but again, there is nothing that falcace said that is not true. Edited April 17, 2020 by chunky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Sidney the robin said: Nothing threw me but you dont like to be challenged do you? never have.!!!! I don't like it when... 1) People think that opinions outweigh fact and... 2) When people make false accusations - like you frequently do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 Just now, chunky said: Wit do you get so offended when someone has the temerity to disagree with your arrogance and biased opinions? I know you believe that your opinion is far more important than truth and fact, but again, there is nothing that falcace said that is not true. Take a deep breath Chunky, don't have a heart attack please .The truth and Fact is do you really know the difference.?? Probably when it suits you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, chunky said: I don't like it when... 1) People think that opinions outweigh fact and... 2) When people make false accusations - like you frequently do FACT really !!!! outleighten me me please.!!!!' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Sidney the robin said: Take a deep breath Chunky, don't have a heart attack please .The truth and Fact is do you really know the difference.?? Probably when it suits you. Oh, I'm perfectly calm! I just don't get why you are so offended by me agreeing with a factual post made by someone else. Or why you are AGAIN accusing me of things that aren't true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 Just now, Sidney the robin said: FACT really !!!! outleighten me me please.!!!!' You tell me ANYTHING that falcace said in his post, that is NOT true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 Woffinden better than Craven, Collins,Lee, you tell me and explain in your own little way why you feel you know better.??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Sidney the robin said: Woffinden better than Craven, Collins,Lee, you tell me and explain in your own little way why you feel you know better.??? Yet you feel that YOU know better? That ONE World Title makes someone better than a three-time World Champ with a far superior record? Of course, Collins must be better than Woffinden because YOU think so. Of course, Lee must be better than Woffinden because you think Tai is an *rsehole. I have frequently stated on here how supremely talented Michael Lee was, but he wasted it. Plus, Lee's record of "questionable" decision-making and unreliability far outweighs anything that you feel Woffinden may have done wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 1 minute ago, chunky said: Yet you feel that YOU know better? That ONE World Title makes someone better than a three-time World Champ with a far superior record? Of course, Collins must be better than Woffinden because YOU think so. Of course, Lee must be better than Woffinden because you think Tai is an *rsehole. I have frequently stated on here how supremely talented Michael Lee was, but he wasted it. Plus, Lee's record of "questionable" decision-making and unreliability far outweighs anything that you feel Woffinden may have done wrong. Do you ever learn?? Woffinden i quite like he is not an as..h... but Craven, Collins/ Lee there records are pretty good too.Lee made mega mistakes that cost him his career but he still achieved quite alot. Collins could of won three titles if had had luck on his side Craven died aged 29 when approaching his peak nothing against Tai give the riders i have named credit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 10 minutes ago, chunky said: Yet you feel that YOU know better? That ONE World Title makes someone better than a three-time World Champ with a far superior record? Of course, Collins must be better than Woffinden because YOU think so. Of course, Lee must be better than Woffinden because you think Tai is an *rsehole. I have frequently stated on here how supremely talented Michael Lee was, but he wasted it. Plus, Lee's record of "questionable" decision-making and unreliability far outweighs anything that you feel Woffinden may have done wrong. I don't think so but my humble opinion says winning a one off final with no semi final is harder than winning over a ten round plus period.Tai is good but Collins, Lee were no mugs BUT you love Tai Chunky can't say anything against him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 Just now, Sidney the robin said: Do you ever learn?? Woffinden i quite like he is not an as..h... but Craven, Collins/ Lee there records are pretty good too.Lee made mega mistakes that cost him his career but he still achieved quite alot. Collins could of won three titles if had had luck on his side Craven died aged 29 when approaching his peak nothing against Tai give the riders i have named credit. When have I EVER not given those riders credit? I just prefer to judge individuals on what actually happened, and not what MIGHT have happened. I was a big fan of Collins, and he COULD have have had FOUR world titles in a row. Due to a series of unfortunate events, he didn't. I wasn't a fan of Lee, due to his dubious record. Again, he was perhaps the most talented rider of all time. However, due to his mental frailties, he never got close to fulfilling his potential. So, it doesn't matter what he COULD have achieved, he DIDN'T. Craven, I never saw, so it is difficult for me to say. He was clearly a brilliant rider, but tragedy prevented him from adding more world titles. Had he continued, he may well have won more, but we just don't know. Woffinden? Maybe not as naturally talented as Lee, and not as unfortunate as the two PC's, but through hard work and determination, and not a little skill, he has gone on to produce far and away the best World Championship record of ANY British rider. It is that record that makes him - in my view - the best British rider of all time. And he is not finished yet. In view of my comments above - and what I have posted previously - I fail to see how you can keep accusing me of not giving credit to other riders. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 9 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said: I don't think so but my humble opinion says winning a one off final with no semi final is harder than winning over a ten round plus period.Tai is good but Collins, Lee were no mugs BUT you love Tai Chunky can't say anything against him. Stop f*cking accusing me! I have NEVER intimated that you can't say anything against Tai! There are things he has said and done of which I'm not a fan, but I can say the same about most riders. Peter Collins included. However, going by his on-track feats, it is impossible to look past his superb record. If you think it is easier for Tai to win a GP series, you may be right. However, it is easier for EVERYONE! In the old days, everybody rode in different numbers of meetings to be World Champion. At least what we have now, everybody has exactly the same chance... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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