Sidney the robin Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 I was doing some memorabilia recently in these boring times and came up with these seven British riders.In what order would all you other forum buffs have these riders in.?? N. Boocock - E.Boocock- Louis- Betts- Ashby- Wilson(Ray) Simmons. Here goes should be interesting. 1.Ray Wilson, 2. Simmons. 3.Louis. 4.E.Boocock 5. N.Boocock 6. Ashby 7. Betts very very difficult you could change your opinion everyday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 11 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said: I was doing some memorabilia recently in these boring times and came up with these seven British riders.In what order would all you other forum buffs have these riders in.?? N. Boocock - E.Boocock- Louis- Betts- Ashby- Wilson(Ray) Simmons. Here goes should be interesting. 1.Ray Wilson, 2. Simmons. 3.Louis. 4.E.Boocock 5. N.Boocock 6. Ashby 7. Betts very very difficult you could change your opinion everyday. Difficult one Sid. Mine would be - Ray Wilson, Terry Betts, Malcolm Simmons, John Louis, Martin Ashby, Eric Boocock & Nigel Boocock...but then again! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wessex Wanderer Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 I will go with 1 Ray Wilson, 2 Terry Betts, 3 Malcolm Simmons, 4 Nigel Boocock, 5 John Louis, 6 Martin Ashby, 7 Eric Boocock. No prejudice there as Eric was one of my favourite riders of the era. A very hard task as they were all good (imagine having those 7 available for England nowadays to back up Woffy!). Ask me the same question tomorrow and I would probably come up with a completely different order!!! nice topic. Thanks Sidney for setting it up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 As everyone else has said, very difficult to choose between them and I'm also sure I would come up with a different answer tomorrow, but for now, I'll go with: 1. Nigel Boocock (perhaps remembering him from an older era than some here), 2. Malcolm Simmons, 3. Eric Boocock, 4. John Louis, 5. Ray Wilson, 6. Martin Ashby, 7. Terry Betts. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BL65 Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 1 hour ago, norbold said: As everyone else has said, very difficult to choose between them and I'm also sure I would come up with a different answer tomorrow, but for now, I'll go with: 1. Nigel Boocock (perhaps remembering him from an older era than some here), 2. Malcolm Simmons, 3. Eric Boocock, 4. John Louis, 5. Ray Wilson, 6. Martin Ashby, 7. Terry Betts. Only one real difference in the order - 1. Nigel Boocock, 2. Malcolm Simmons, 3. Eric Boocock, 4. Ray Wilson, 5. Martin Ashby, 6. Terry Betts, 7. John Louis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted April 11, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 2 hours ago, Wessex Wanderer said: I will go with 1 Ray Wilson, 2 Terry Betts, 3 Malcolm Simmons, 4 Nigel Boocock, 5 John Louis, 6 Martin Ashby, 7 Eric Boocock. No prejudice there as Eric was one of my favourite riders of the era. A very hard task as they were all good (imagine having those 7 available for England nowadays to back up Woffy!). Ask me the same question tomorrow and I would probably come up with a completely different order!!! nice topic. Thanks Sidney for setting it up. Thats ok Wessex great to hear other people's opinion's so surprised people pick Ray but gee he was good.My uncle who first took me to speedway told me he was one of the few from 67 onwards who could beat Briggs on merit at the Abbey.Also Sommelier another forum member who i respect immensely has always told me Wilson /Michanek are of a few who could beat a peak Olsen at Wolves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted April 11, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 2 hours ago, norbold said: As everyone else has said, very difficult to choose between them and I'm also sure I would come up with a different answer tomorrow, but for now, I'll go with: 1. Nigel Boocock (perhaps remembering him from an older era than some here), 2. Malcolm Simmons, 3. Eric Boocock, 4. John Louis, 5. Ray Wilson, 6. Martin Ashby, 7. Terry Betts. Feel guilty Norbold like you named Bettsy 7th in the list.Betts was one of my heroes see him maybe once a year what a rider he was everytime the Lynn visited the Abbey to see Terry ride was a treat also he was a massive plus to Michael Lee no jealousy and Michael knows just how good Terry was as a rider and human being. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 42 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said: Thats ok Wessex great to hear other people's opinion's so surprised people pick Ray but gee he was good.My uncle who first took me to speedway told me he was one of the few from 67 onwards who could beat Briggs on merit at the Abbey.Also Sommelier another forum member who i respect immensely has always told me Wilson /Michanek are of a few who could beat a peak Olsen at Wolves. Dag Lovaas was another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 3 hours ago, steve roberts said: Difficult one Sid. Mine would be - Ray Wilson, Terry Betts, Malcolm Simmons, John Louis, Martin Ashby, Eric Boocock & Nigel Boocock...but then again! My pick would be to swap Ray Wilson for Malcolm Simmons Steve. Otherwise I agree with the rest. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted April 11, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 14 minutes ago, steve roberts said: Dag Lovaas was another. Totally right Steve Dag was very good at Wolves.Maybe you can tell me Steve first visited Monmore in the late 70s ( Hans time 78??? the track was so different long straights.Holloway Swindon who i followed did well at the old Monmore nowadays now the track is a real test technically as a rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted April 11, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 4 minutes ago, The White Knight said: My pick would be to swap Ray Wilson for Malcolm Simmons Steve. Otherwise I agree with the rest. Great you are back WK hope you are well my friend.!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 Just now, Sidney the robin said: Great you are back WK hope you are well my friend.!!!! Thank you kindly Sid. Great Thread. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 4 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said: Great you are back WK hope you are well my friend.!!!! Second that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 6 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said: Totally right Steve Dag was very good at Wolves.Maybe you can tell me Steve first visited Monmore in the late 70s ( Hans time 78??? the track was so different long straights.Holloway Swindon who i followed did well at the old Monmore nowadays now the track is a real test technically as a rider. Unfortunately I never got to see Dag at Wolves...but I know it used to irritate Olsen when he beat him! My first visit to Monmore was in 1974 and it always struck me as having too long straights for the tight bends...very much hairpin in shape. I believe that the track was altered at some point but it was never a favourite of mine although Oxford had a good record there during the Nielsen years. Happy to say I was there on the afternoon White City won the league and there were so many "Rebel" fans it was unbelievable! Great days! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 3 hours ago, BL65 said: Only one real difference in the order - 1. Nigel Boocock, 2. Malcolm Simmons, 3. Eric Boocock, 4. Ray Wilson, 5. Martin Ashby, 6. Terry Betts, 7. John Louis. That looks good to me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted April 11, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 1 hour ago, chunky said: That looks good to me... ?? just shows Chunky how none of us are right or wrong, !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted April 12, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 18 hours ago, chunky said: That looks good to me... Looking through the seven riders only four of those became British Champion Ashby,Betts,N.Boocock missing out.Being fair to Nigel he was in a real tough era where Briggo, Ivan, P.C dominated the title from 1961/72. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 1. Louis 2. Simmons 3. Wilson 4. E. Boocock 5. Betts 6. N. Boocock 7. Ashby 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Sidney the robin said: Looking through the seven riders only four of those became British Champion Ashby,Betts,N.Boocock missing out.Being fair to Nigel he was in a real tough era where Briggo, Ivan, P.C dominated the title from 1961/72. I don't just use the British Final as a guide; I also look at averages/domestic form and World Final appearances. That is why I rate Nigel as highly as I do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 Very difficult to separate the last six behind a runaway no.1 Nigel Boocock, Ray Wilson, Terry Betts, Malcolm Simmons, Martin Ashby, John Louis, Eric Boocock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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