Terry Posted March 28, 2020 Report Share Posted March 28, 2020 On 3/28/2020 at 7:39 PM, JC71 said: Apologies, speedway only started in the 80s for me, what was the outcome of that? Expand The Russian Chlinovski was excluded, but instead of awarding the race to Plech, the referee inexplicably gave the win to Collins, meaning that Plech missed out on joining Mauger and Szczakiel in the run-off for the championship. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC71 Posted March 28, 2020 Report Share Posted March 28, 2020 On 3/28/2020 at 8:49 PM, Terry said: The Russian Chlinovski was excluded, but instead of awarding the race to Plech, the referee inexplicably gave the win to Collins, meaning that Plech missed out on joining Mauger and Szczakiel in the run-off for the championship. Expand Thanks for reply..... wow, really??!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted March 29, 2020 Report Share Posted March 29, 2020 On 3/28/2020 at 8:49 PM, Terry said: The Russian Chlinovski was excluded, but instead of awarding the race to Plech, the referee inexplicably gave the win to Collins, meaning that Plech missed out on joining Mauger and Szczakiel in the run-off for the championship. Expand My understanding is the rules at the time did not allow for awarding of a heat, so the inexplicable part was that Plech was awarded any points, not that PC was given the win? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 On 3/28/2020 at 7:28 PM, Grand Central said: Expand Fabulous stuff in a meeting that had many dramas! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 On 3/29/2020 at 10:46 PM, waiheke1 said: My understanding is the rules at the time did not allow for awarding of a heat, so the inexplicable part was that Plech was awarded any points, not that PC was given the win? Expand Still a baffling decision imo. Surely a re-run (minus Chlinovski) would've been the correct option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 On 3/30/2020 at 7:08 AM, Terry said: Still a baffling decision imo. Surely a re-run (minus Chlinovski) would've been the correct option. Expand Presumably they gave it to Collins as he finished the race behind Chlinovski, who was excluded. Totally unfair to Plech though, as he was bundled off the bike. As you say, with no awarding available, it should have been re-run. Surely the race was never completed, as it ended at the moment Plech was brought off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 On 3/29/2020 at 10:46 PM, waiheke1 said: My understanding is the rules at the time did not allow for awarding of a heat, so the inexplicable part was that Plech was awarded any points, not that PC was given the win? Expand https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Individual_Speedway_World_Championship Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 On 3/30/2020 at 7:39 AM, iris123 said: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Individual_Speedway_World_Championship Expand I'm not sure how not ordering a re-run was showing bias towards Poland. It certainly looked to me that Plech was brought off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 On 3/30/2020 at 7:50 AM, Grachan said: I'm not sure how not ordering a re-run was showing bias towards Poland. It certainly looked to me that Plech was brought off. Expand I would say it wasn't so clear cut and probably would go with racing incident and a re-run without Plech. But just wanted to add to the debate with some of the incidents during the meeting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 (edited) On 3/30/2020 at 7:54 AM, iris123 said: I would say it wasn't so clear cut and probably would go with racing incident and a re-run without Plech. But just wanted to add to the debate with some of the incidents during the meeting Expand So maybe debateable (looked to me like Chlinovski's fault - another Penhall/Carter perhaps!), but far from a terrible decision to exclude Chlinovski. I have the video of this meeting somewhere, and Dave Lanning's commentary on it seems confused too and he starts banging on about pro-Polish decisions. Yet he, himself, says that Chlinovski rode Plech into the terracing. If the referee deemed Plech to be innocent, then the decision to give the heat to Collins actually went against Plech, so I don't see why everyone was saying he was pro-Poland. One thing that was amusing in the Wiki page was that eye-witness accounts said it was Plech's own fault. You don't say! Edited March 30, 2020 by Grachan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 On 3/30/2020 at 8:04 AM, Grachan said: So maybe debateable (looked to me like Chlinovski's fault - another Penhall/Carter perhaps!), but far from a terrible decision to exclude Chlinovski. I have the video of this meeting somewhere, and Dave Lanning's commentary on it seems confused too and he starts banging on about pro-Polish decisions. Yet he, himself, says that Chlinovski rode Plech into the terracing. If the referee deemed Plech to be innocent, then the decision to give the heat to Collins actually went against Plech, so I don't see why everyone was saying he was pro-Poland. One thing that was amusing in the Wiki page was that eye-witness accounts said it was Plech's own fault. You don't say! Expand Certainly the piece about long believed that referee Traunspurger 'was himself Polish' comes across a bit strange....by whom? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 On 3/30/2020 at 8:11 AM, iris123 said: Certainly the piece about long believed that referee Traunspurger 'was himself Polish' comes across a bit strange....by whom? Expand Also, a direct quote from Lanning: ""It seems to me that the authorities here in Katowice are making up the rules to suit themselves to get their boys a world title." Yet he's just refused Plech the chance of a re-run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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steve roberts Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 On 3/30/2020 at 8:18 AM, Grachan said: Expand Utterly brilliant! Speedway at its best! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 Best thread on the BSF in my opinion with all this doom and gloom surrounding us! Keep them coming! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 Of course one of the very best is that Joe Screen Polish league one where he squeezes through a gap that isn't really there to win the league for his team, I think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 On 3/30/2020 at 11:12 AM, iris123 said: Of course one of the very best is that Joe Screen Polish league one where he squeezes through a gap that isn't really there to win the league for his team, I think Expand Any chance sourcing it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Flag Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 I think it was Piotr Swist and Billy Hamill team riding him out until he dived between them going into 3rd bend last lap, brilliant if someone could post if 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Ore Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 (edited) Maybe this one. For those watching in black and white, Joe Screen is in the blue helmet. Edited March 30, 2020 by Mr Ore error 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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