Daniel Smith Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 2 hours ago, Ben91 said: Lambert is undoubtedly a great talent, one who was seemingly destined for the very top, particularly when he burst on to the league racing scene. To look at where he is in relation to his age shows just how well he has done as a British rider. Can he get better? Undoubtedly. Will he get better? Who knows. Some of Lamberts peers age wise in world speedway are better than him at present, that doesn’t mean they will always be better than him. It is easy to forget how young he is due to how long he has been on the scene. I don’t know what goes on behind the scenes but if there is room for him to improve his fitness and professionalism then that would only make him an even better prospect. What I do know from watching him is that his gating and work in the first bend could be improved upon. If he does that then a world championship is not out of the question in the future. However they don’t give world championships out for fun, look at the likes of Leigh Adams who spent the majority of his career at the pinnacle of the sport and never claimed the ultimate prize. I’d love to see Robert competing at the sharp end of the GP series in years to come and I believe that he is still the best prospect we have by a country mile at present. For Lambert, he has to cut it in the Ekstraliga or he'll just become another one of those Brits where we end up saying "what a waste of a great talant." At his age, he's better than most other rider's around the world of the same age, except for the Pole's. Some say he has time on his side, thinking about it though, I'd now say the opposite. I think he has 2 years tops or the Ekstraliga won't ever touch him again & being in that league is absolutely critical in being able to finance any hope of cutting it at GP level. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 49 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: For Lambert, he has to cut it in the Ekstraliga or he'll just become another one of those Brits where we end up saying "what a waste of a great talant." At his age, he's better than most other rider's around the world of the same age, except for the Pole's. Some say he has time on his side, thinking about it though, I'd now say the opposite. I think he has 2 years tops or the Ekstraliga won't ever touch him again & being in that league is absolutely critical in being able to finance any hope of cutting it at GP level. Not at all. Jason Doyle was still riding second division speedway here at 27 as one example. Lambert is miles ahead of Doyle when the two were the same age. Of course they’re different people and their career arcs will naturally be different but if Lambert suddenly kicked on to the elite level at the age of 30 he’ll be picked up in Poland. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 Roberts next year could well be a pivotal point in his career. Will probably be 2021 now.. JD is not the norm. Last season he had bike troubles early and a heavy work load. Then came the injuries. In 2018 he was gating much better. Hence his high average. IMHO he needs to be fit as he can be and work with a trapper (bike set up) and reflex work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 52 minutes ago, Ben91 said: Not at all. Jason Doyle was still riding second division speedway here at 27 as one example. Lambert is miles ahead of Doyle when the two were the same age. Of course they’re different people and their career arcs will naturally be different but if Lambert suddenly kicked on to the elite level at the age of 30 he’ll be picked up in Poland. The difference with Doyle is he wasn't established in the Ekstraliga. Had Doyle done the Ekstraliga at 21, been poor they would have dropped double quick and never to be seen again. He pretty much hit the ground running in the Ekstraliga and never looked back. Lambert is their earlier and has to perform or he gets left behind. History has shown how ruthless the Pole's are. If Lambert fails in the Ekstraliga in the next 2 seasons that's pretty much a top level career gone for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted March 24, 2020 Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: The difference with Doyle is he wasn't established in the Ekstraliga. Had Doyle done the Ekstraliga at 21, been poor they would have dropped double quick and never to be seen again. He pretty much hit the ground running in the Ekstraliga and never looked back. Lambert is their earlier and has to perform or he gets left behind. History has shown how ruthless the Pole's are. If Lambert fails in the Ekstraliga in the next 2 seasons that's pretty much a top level career gone for him. No it isn’t. They are ruthless (pun not intended) but they aren’t stupid. If any rider went into their top league and struggled then eight or nine years later was suddenly riding at an elite level a team would pick them up because it is a sport and it’s about winning. Edited March 24, 2020 by Ben91 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted March 24, 2020 Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 I’m not sure Britain carries much weight any more but in theory if the Extraliga discarded him and in five or six years he’s excelling in Sweden, Euros, SWC and perhaps even GP’s then of course Poland wouldn’t ignore him. Hopefully it won’t cone to that though and he starts cutting in in Poland as soon as it starts again. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyderd Posted March 26, 2020 Report Share Posted March 26, 2020 Lambert would be a world beater if he could gate with the best, but he does have time on his side,I'll use Leon Madsen as an example, he was good but not great until he won the European championship.If Lambert was 1st coming out of the 2nd bend, he wouldn't lose to many races. If you are looking at this Robert practice your reflex until you're sick of doing it, then do it again, you are good enough as is Dan Bewley albeit a year or 2 behind you. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted March 26, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2020 On 3/23/2020 at 10:01 PM, Daniel Smith said: For Lambert, he has to cut it in the Ekstraliga or he'll just become another one of those Brits where we end up saying "what a waste of a great talant." At his age, he's better than most other rider's around the world of the same age, except for the Pole's. Some say he has time on his side, thinking about it though, I'd now say the opposite. I think he has 2 years tops or the Ekstraliga won't ever touch him again & being in that league is absolutely critical in being able to finance any hope of cutting it at GP level. Are Drabik, Kubera much better than Robert ??? maybe Drabik Smektala is the only rider around his age that i would say is better and even then that is marginal.Doyle as Ben 91 eludes to is a fine example if you progress whatever age or whatever stage of your career you are at you will get a place in Poland i believe Robert will do that in the future he is to good not to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted March 27, 2020 Report Share Posted March 27, 2020 Polish U21 riders have the advantage of a bottomless pit of sponsorship meaning missile bikes and I think the reserve system in the Extraliga helps them too. We'll only find out over the next 5-10 years who is the best of those who have just graduated from the U21 scene. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sommelier Posted March 27, 2020 Report Share Posted March 27, 2020 2 hours ago, Bagpuss said: Polish U21 riders have the advantage of a bottomless pit of sponsorship meaning missile bikes and I think the reserve system in the Extraliga helps them too. We'll only find out over the next 5-10 years who is the best of those who have just graduated from the U21 scene. Missile bikes? you must have one hell of a lot of knowledge regarding polish riders. I for one do a lot of polish league meetings, I must of under estimated your knowledge of polish riders. I will give you an example, last night I had an in-depth conversation with Peter Johns who I have a new engine to pick up for Drew Kemp. I explained to him that Drew is looking to break in to the lower division of Poland in the next couple of years if progression continues. I talked to PJR regarding a new polish engine, he explained in detail ALL HIS ENGINES are of GP standard and no need for a special engine for Poland, I admire his honestly of not trying to get money out of me for another engine. The new engine was only £5200.00 + VAT how cheap is that in modern day motor sports! so I await you reply regarding poles on missile bikes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sommelier Posted March 27, 2020 Report Share Posted March 27, 2020 14 hours ago, Sidney the robin said: Are Drabik, Kubera much better than Robert ??? maybe Drabik Smektala is the only rider around his age that i would say is better and even then that is marginal.Doyle as Ben 91 eludes to is a fine example if you progress whatever age or whatever stage of your career you are at you will get a place in Poland i believe Robert will do that in the future he is to good not to. Drabik and Smektala only marginal better than Lambert, you must have been watching different racing to me last year in Poland. Look at the average of both riders mentioned compared to Lambert's facts don't lie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted March 27, 2020 Report Share Posted March 27, 2020 33 minutes ago, sommelier said: Drabik and Smektala only marginal better than Lambert, you must have been watching different racing to me last year in Poland. Look at the average of both riders mentioned compared to Lambert's facts don't lie Sidney doesn't care about things like averages, Drabik, Smektala, Chugunov and Kubera are all ahead the first three are a decent way ahead based on last year 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted March 27, 2020 Report Share Posted March 27, 2020 47 minutes ago, phillipsr said: Sidney doesn't care about things like averages, Drabik, Smektala, Chugunov and Kubera are all ahead the first three are a decent way ahead based on last year But Lambert is a great bike handler for his age (much better than Doyle at that age) and Sidney can see that and I agree. With a bit more physical and mental application and money for equipment Lambert could be a world champion at some point. At the moment he’s a bit like Tai Woffinden in his first GP year. I’m guessing that he has less financial backing than Drabik and Smektala? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted March 27, 2020 Report Share Posted March 27, 2020 1 hour ago, sommelier said: Missile bikes? you must have one hell of a lot of knowledge regarding polish riders. I for one do a lot of polish league meetings, I must of under estimated your knowledge of polish riders. I will give you an example, last night I had an in-depth conversation with Peter Johns who I have a new engine to pick up for Drew Kemp. I explained to him that Drew is looking to break in to the lower division of Poland in the next couple of years if progression continues. I talked to PJR regarding a new polish engine, he explained in detail ALL HIS ENGINES are of GP standard and no need for a special engine for Poland, I admire his honestly of not trying to get money out of me for another engine. The new engine was only £5200.00 + VAT how cheap is that in modern day motor sports! so I await you reply regarding poles on missile bikes Calm down dear! And remove that chip from your shoulder while you’re at it. Young Polish riders have always had the best kit, that’s just the way it is and stands to reason with the finances that speedway over there has, the best ones are heavily subsidised by the clubs/authorities and U21 success is demanded. That’s said without bitterness or jealousy, it’s just how it works. As said we’ll see over the next five, ten, fifteen years who turns out to be the best of the current crop. As things stand U21 results and averages don’t lie but everyone knows what a tough year Robert had and that has to be a factor. Pretty sure he will come back stronger. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sommelier Posted March 27, 2020 Report Share Posted March 27, 2020 ALWAYS had a chip & always will have, love ya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted March 27, 2020 Report Share Posted March 27, 2020 Who really knows where or how far our young riders can go. The two stand out riders are Lambert and Bewley. Lambert has some decent experience of riding abroad something that young riders need to experience as much as they can possible get and I can see him getting in or getting close to GP place. Bewley has a riding style that suits the foreign tracks and I can see him kicking on and challenging for a GP place. But a lot will come down to finance, how much the rider really wants it and how dedicated they are, the latter two are only the riders themselves know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon1983 Posted March 27, 2020 Report Share Posted March 27, 2020 So Bewley and Lambert but what about non Brits currently riding in the UK who could make the GPs slightly off topic but keeps it going Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted March 27, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2020 9 hours ago, sommelier said: Drabik and Smektala only marginal better than Lambert, you must have been watching different racing to me last year in Poland. Look at the average of both riders mentioned compared to Lambert's facts don't lie 9 hours ago, phillipsr said: Sidney doesn't care about things like averages, Drabik, Smektala, Chugunov and Kubera are all ahead the first three are a decent way ahead based on last year Are you Stevie Wonder in disguise, ???? av a look at the under 21s at the Vue Lambert was miles ahead of anyone on that day.Smektala had to ride his balls off to beat him( Smektala i rate will be a gp rider). Kubera and Chugonov are no more in front of Lambert get your head out your ass Phillipsr you have always knocked me piped up on a regular basis over Josh Auty .This topic you have no idea Chugunov,Kubera are hopefuls for the series in the future no more than Lambert or Drabik. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted March 27, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2020 10 hours ago, sommelier said: Drabik and Smektala only marginal better than Lambert, you must have been watching different racing to me last year in Poland. Look at the average of both riders mentioned compared to Lambert's facts don't lie I have watched all the riders progress BUT i stick to my convictions unlike you.I don't swop and change and change my view within a year or so, Drabik is NOT a fully fiedged GP rider he should be. But the FACTS say he isn't, Kubera is decent but for me he is not going to be the next Gollob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted March 27, 2020 Report Share Posted March 27, 2020 14 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said: I have watched all the riders progress BUT i stick to my convictions unlike you.I don't swop and change and change my view within a year or so, Drabik is NOT a fully fiedged GP rider he should be. But the FACTS say he isn't, Kubera is decent but for me he is not going to be the next Gollob Sweden Poland Drabik 7.88 8.54 * Smektala 7.46 7.44 * Lambert 7.02 4.91 Kubera 6.29 6.14 * * all 3 riders did have an easier heat 2 All i would add is that Lambert can be a top rider but needs to look himself in the mirror and change certain aspects of his professional career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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