Will British Speedway Survive ?

[mikebv]

1 minute ago, Tim G said:

People will go to these events, you only had to look at the crowds at Cheltenham when people already knew about coronavirus.

The authorities letting these events happen is a difficult one, they need to get the economy going but also need to protect the NHS.

I think Cheltenham was at the start of the 'finally realisation is dawning'  period so got away with it. .

One week later and it wouldn't have taken place. .

And given the fall out as to how many who attended have since tested postive for the virus I wouldn't think it will be seen as a postive thing to have attended, it and may make others think twice post "the official all clear"..

I think there will definitely be a week or two of plenty of people not wishing to put themselves back into crowded areas and will hang back a little to wait and see if actually all is really 'ok'..

Not to mention the financial hit on those who may have to start paying more for bills and mortgages as they have had a payment holiday...

Can't see a "throng" of people attending unless other sports like football maybe have a phased increasing restriction on numbers over a period of time, which means some may want to get their sporting fix elsewhere..

Plenty more popular sports in the queue first though even if that happens..

[Wolfie456]

49 minutes ago, HGould said:

Wimbledon, Glastonbury, other massive Events cancelled as the lead time to set up and organise logistics is MONTHS....you don't organise them in weeks. By cancelling now that limit losses massively. Speedway could theoretically be given green light and actually facing within a week. 

To suggest there is and correlation between putting Wimbledon on and organising Swindon Robins v Wolverhampton Wolves within a week is scaremongering nonsense.

Speedway meetings with initially British riders could be organised very quickly. Clubs will have everything ready to go very quickly

We couldn't get a team together in a week with only R Schlein living here.

[Danny Connor]

I'd go to speedway if it was on tonight and the lockdown wasn't in force. I'd probably wear gloves, maybe overclothes too.  keep a distance where possible. strip overclothes before getting in the car. Sanitize. Shower straight after the meeting. I'm out there working currently as it is and doing most of these things. At the end of the day before I get in my car I do most of these things. It's almost routine now. It's almost normal. With common sense we could do things. There's just a lot of dumb people out there. And those dumb people will mean it will be very unlikely to get back to normal anytime soon. If it's before June I'll be astonished.

 

Just to clarify dumb. I mean people getting within 2 meters. not washing their hands. Paying with cash. Not wearing gloves at petrol pumps. Smoking (but that's a separate issue). Not covering their faces when they cough. 

Edited April 8, 2020 by Danny Connor
Clarifying dumb

[Tim G]

1 hour ago, mikebv said:

I think Cheltenham was at the start of the 'finally realisation is dawning'  period so got away with it. .

One week later and it wouldn't have taken place. .

And given the fall out as to how many who attended have since tested postive for the virus I wouldn't think it will be seen as a postive thing to have attended, it and may make others think twice post "the official all clear"..

I think there will definitely be a week or two of plenty of people not wishing to put themselves back into crowded areas and will hang back a little to wait and see if actually all is really 'ok'..

Not to mention the financial hit on those who may have to start paying more for bills and mortgages as they have had a payment holiday...

Can't see a "throng" of people attending unless other sports like football maybe have a phased increasing restriction on numbers over a period of time, which means some may want to get their sporting fix elsewhere..

Plenty more popular sports in the queue first though even if that happens..

Whilst I agree Cheltenham would not have been on a week later if it was on I doubt the attendance would have been down much.

As soon as people get the all clear to attend events or pub they will go if they can afford it.

If you told people they could go to the beach this weekend Bournemouth would be packed.

[cityrebel]

2 hours ago, BWitcher said:

Would you attend if there was a vaccine that had a 1 in 4 chance of working?

It depends if the cases had reduced accordingly. Three out of the four people in my household are key workers. We try to minimise the risks as much as we can. It's a very stressful time for everyone.

[HGould]

1 hour ago, Wolfie456 said:

We couldn't get a team together in a week with only R Schlein living here.

Speedway could take place though, of some kind as plenty of British riders and UK based riders would be clamouring to ride.

It's very unfortunate that a team like Wolverhampton can't offer a team place and a job to a British rider but that's a topic for another day.

[BWitcher]

9 minutes ago, cityrebel said:

It depends if the cases had reduced accordingly. Three out of the four people in my household are key workers. We try to minimise the risks as much as we can. It's a very stressful time for everyone.

What I mean is, if the vaccine developed had a 1 in 4 chance of actually working, would you attend sporting events?

[cityrebel]

10 minutes ago, BWitcher said:

What I mean is, if the vaccine developed had a 1 in 4 chance of actually working, would you attend sporting events?

I know what meant. It depends on how many people were still being infected. Normal speedway meetings probably wouldn't be a problem, but I'd give premier league football a miss and attend lower league matches instead. 

[greyhoundp]

Getting Speedway up and running in some form may be possible, but what would be the format ?, Its all very well saying the lockdown is over in the UK, but what about quarantine rules, what about other countries and flights, we may get the all clear UK wide, but what about europe, australia and the few americans they will all have different time scales, yes some kind of speedway may be possible within a week, League racing im not so sure about, and will the aussies want to come over if its only for 6/8 weeks even if its logistically possible.

[BWitcher]

1 hour ago, cityrebel said:

I know what meant. It depends on how many people were still being infected. Normal speedway meetings probably wouldn't be a problem, but I'd give premier league football a miss and attend lower league matches instead. 

Ok...but you do know that between 350-400 people die EVERY DAY in winter from flu/pneumonia and 100-200 every day in summer? i.e. something caught from another?

Just ask yourself what people would do if the media told you the number who had died.. day after day after day.

It's only in the last week covid-19 has reached those levels.. and within a couple of weeks should be back below.

Point is, viruses are a part of life. This is something new and seems like its never before been seen, but reality is, we deal with it every day of our lives.

[flipper11]

10 minutes ago, BWitcher said:

Ok...but you do know that between 350-400 people die EVERY DAY in winter from flu/pneumonia and 100-200 every day in summer? i.e. something caught from another?

Just ask yourself what people would do if the media told you the number who had died.. day after day after day.

It's only in the last week covid-19 has reached those levels.. and within a couple of weeks should be back below.

Point is, viruses are a part of life. This is something new and seems like its never before been seen, but reality is, we deal with it every day of our lives.

Thats 100,000 a year die from flu/pneumonia, are you sure? or are there no deaths during spring & autumn. 

[MattK]

2 hours ago, HGould said:

Speedway could take place though, of some kind as plenty of British riders and UK based riders would be clamouring to ride.

It's very unfortunate that a team like Wolverhampton can't offer a team place and a job to a British rider but that's a topic for another day.

What value is there in clubs cobbling together teams just to run meetings? Rider still expect to be paid and putting on meetings which only attract a few hundred supporters is a guaranteed way to lose money.

[fatface]

17 minutes ago, BWitcher said:

Ok...but you do know that between 350-400 people die EVERY DAY in winter from flu/pneumonia and 100-200 every day in summer? i.e. something caught from another?

And people who do die do so freely wandering around without self isolation or social distancing. I don't know why you persist with this comparison of flu and covid 19. It's completely invalid. To state the bleeding obvious, the confirmed cases and deaths of covid 19 would be vastly increased were the drastic restrictions not in place.  Listen to the experts. Jeez. 

Edited April 8, 2020 by falcace

[BWitcher]

18 minutes ago, falcace said:

And people who do die do so freely wandering around without self isolation or social distancing. I don't know why you persist with this comparison of flu and covid 19. It's completely invalid. To state the bleeding obvious, the confirmed cases and deaths of covid 19 would be vastly increased were the drastic restrictions not in place.  Listen to the experts. Jeez. 

Of course it isn't completely invalid. They are both viruses caught from social contact with others.

If you die, you die. It's not something extra special if you die from covid-19.

As for the experts?.. Yes, they told us without a lockdown 20 x more people would die..

Only problem with that... it hasn't happened in countries where they've not locked down.

The 'experts' don't know. That is what they assumed would happen... and it hasn't. That's why their projected death figures change day by day. It's all new.

Besides, this discussion is nothing to do with that in the slightest. We're discussing when covid-19 eventually goes away.. and as I have clearly said, if the media were telling you 400 people were dying daily, people would be scared of going out.

What we have established though Falcace is 350-400 deaths a day from social contact is irrelevant to you..  so, I assume, in a month or so when flu/pneumonia deaths are down to around 100-150 a day, if Covid is down to around 250 deaths a day, all is good with you right?

 

Edited April 8, 2020 by BWitcher

[fatface]

7 minutes ago, BWitcher said:

Of course it isn't completely invalid. They are both viruses caught from social contact with others.
 

It is invalid. Utterly.

You are comparing deaths from a one virus with no social restrictions whatsoever with deaths from another virus with self isolation and social distancing in place. This subject is carrying over multiple threads now and you are making yourself look quite the fool across them all. 

 

[BWitcher]

19 minutes ago, falcace said:

It is invalid. Utterly.

You are comparing deaths from a one virus with no social restrictions whatsoever with deaths from another virus with self isolation and social distancing in place. This subject is carrying over multiple threads now and you are making yourself look quite the fool across them all. 

 

Incorrect in every one of your statements, but don't let that stop you.

[Wee Eck]

1 hour ago, BWitcher said:

Ok...but you do know that between 350-400 people die EVERY DAY in winter from flu/pneumonia and 100-200 every day in summer? i.e. something caught from another?

Just ask yourself what people would do if the media told you the number who had died.. day after day after day.

It's only in the last week covid-19 has reached those levels.. and within a couple of weeks should be back below.

Point is, viruses are a part of life. This is something new and seems like its never before been seen, but reality is, we deal with it every day of our lives.

Can I assume you are talking about annual global deaths? The World Health Organisation estimates annual deaths from influenza as being between 290,000 and 650,000 so upwards of 800 a day.  Public Health England says the average annual death rate from influenza is approximately 17,000. As England has around 89% of the UK’s population, that equates to 19,100 across UK or just over 52 deaths per day. It’s been reported that 938 people died from or with Covid-19 today, which would have taken 18 days for the equivalent number of influenza deaths. 
Or, looked at another way, it seems likely from the statistics that more people died in UK today with or from Covid-19, than died in all of the countries in the world from influenza. 

[BWitcher]

4 minutes ago, Wee Eck said:

Can I assume you are talking about annual global deaths? The World Health Organisation estimates annual deaths from influenza as being between 290,000 and 650,000 so upwards of 800 a day.  Public Health England says the average annual death rate from influenza is approximately 17,000. As England has around 89% of the UK’s population, that equates to 19,100 across UK or just over 52 deaths per day. It’s been reported that 938 people died from or with Covid-19 today, which would have taken 18 days for the equivalent number of influenza deaths. 
Or, looked at another way, it seems likely from the statistics that more people died in UK today with or from Covid-19, than died in all of the countries in the world from influenza. 

Not at all, I am talking about daily deaths in the UK.

All figures are available on the Office of National Statistics site, the official collater of all stats.

Up until 27th March 28,398 had died from flu/pneumonia in the UK this year.

Actually 6,000 below the average.

Anyway, it's all been discussed and figures provided on the corona virus thread.. and not just by me.

If you don't believe me, go here, scroll down to section 3 and hover over the graph for each week. It will tell you the number of deaths that week.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending27march2020

Edited April 8, 2020 by BWitcher

[Swindonseptet]

47 minutes ago, BWitcher said:

Incorrect in every one of your statements, but don't let that stop you.

I seldom post but always read, this is the 4th thread you have joined talking up your inane flu theory, you change your source on a whim to suit your next argument.

Now here you are again arguing, please give your head a wobble and respect the medical advice and stop being a know all know nothing crank!!!!

[BWitcher]

33 minutes ago, Swindonseptet said:

I seldom post but always read, this is the 4th thread you have joined talking up your inane flu theory, you change your source on a whim to suit your next argument.

Now here you are again arguing, please give your head a wobble and respect the medical advice and stop being a know all know nothing crank!!!!

Who said anything about not respecting the medical advice? There is no theory involved. I've just given facts. The fact you don't like them speaks volumes.

The office of national statistics is the official source of recorded deaths in the UK. It is the same body responsible for the covid-19 tallies.

If you have an issue take it up with them.

Abuse all you like. It is definitive fact.

Does it mean Covid-19 isn't dangerous? No it doesn't..  

Edited April 8, 2020 by BWitcher